Poker News: this is real gossip. matusow steals people's money...

I was watching Mike Matusow play, because he was my favorite player (after observing this chat, he no longer is). I believe in good morality, and Mike Matusow is the opposite of what i believe. He, being a professional, wins and loses thousands of dollars, day in and day out. Yet, he borrows money from players and doesn't even pay them back!?!? wow. I have no background on what Matusow and Ziigmund had, but this is plain wrong. It's not my business, but I just wanted to get this chat out to people:

Ziigmund: mike matusow

Ziigmund: MIKE

Mike Matusow: zigggy

rhchang (Observer): reason i ask is because i

depositd with click2pay and the only way to

withdraw funds is through click2pay

Ziigmund: u still owe me

Ziigmund: +++

Mike Matusow: iknow

Ziigmund: wtf ?

Mike Matusow: patric didnt give it to u

rhchang (Observer): hey mike

Mike Matusow: he was supposed to

rhchang (Observer): do you know if i deposited

through click2pay the only way to withdraw is

through click2pay?

Ziigmund: yes.......he said he hasnt said anything

to u about thta

Mike Matusow: ill talk to him wtf

rhchang (Observer): or can i get the funds

transfered another way?

Ziigmund: ??

rhchang (Observer): hey ziigmund can you hear

me?

Mike Matusow: hang in ther wont be long

Mike Matusow: how u been doing

Ziigmund: its now 9days when u said 1 week

Ziigmund: good

Mike Matusow: k dont want to talk on her ei

though patric paid u he said he would

Ziigmund: put it just now??

mase_gotsem (Observer): ziig are u broke lol

Ziigmund: no

Ziigmund: u?

Mike Matusow: i am

CalluBudddy (Observer): lol

Ziigmund: lol

spezunk (Observer): THEN STFU

mase_gotsem (Observer): yes lend me 10k till 7

days

Mike Matusow: but im a rich broke

CalluBudddy (Observer): trivia anyone?

Ziigmund: whta does it mean?

mase_gotsem (Observer): me too but im rich broke

also

mase_gotsem (Observer): mi=oneys tied up

Mike Matusow: means i got lot of money but no

cash

mase_gotsem (Observer): mike ill lend u 1500 pay

me back 2k in 2 weeks

Mike Matusow: lol

CalluBudddy (Observer): thats juice

mase_gotsem (Observer): i need money

investments lol

ENP_24 (Observer): Mikey will win 2k in the next 2

minutes!

mase_gotsem (Observer): its only 25 % a week

CalluBudddy (Observer): no 33%

mase_gotsem (Observer): im bad at math also

mase_gotsem (Observer): see

Ziigmund: mike...put that 10k now ok?

mcniddy (Observer): gooo mikeyyyyy

Mike Matusow: sure if i can find it

CalluBudddy (Observer): lol

mcniddy (Observer): lol

Mike Matusow: to bad im allin on table

Mike Matusow: like i am everyday

mcniddy (Observer): it fell off the boat right mike

Ziigmund: ???

Ziigmund: r u still 30k for me?

mcniddy (Observer): hes sittn with all his money

mase_gotsem (Observer): ziig i like ur style very

persistnant

CalluBudddy (Observer): sweatin him a lil

Mike Matusow: wtf r u talking about

mcniddy (Observer): lol

Ziigmund: or u put it 21th of jan or when?

spezunk (Observer): ZIG IM MIKEYS BUD I SEND

YOU RIGHT NOW

Mike Matusow: i owe u ten

CalluBudddy (Observer): srry

Mike Matusow: u willhave it when i get it

Mike Matusow: not talking about it anymore

mase_gotsem (Observer): i did see him pay u back

20

mase_gotsem (Observer): this was 3 weeks or so

Hollatchaboy69 (Observer): you tell him mike

spezunk (Observer): ZIG I SEND YOU 10 RIGHT

NOW OK?

Mike Matusow: and if u bring it up again i wont pay

u back at all

spezunk (Observer): YOU WANT IT OR NOT

Hollatchaboy69 (Observer): hahahahaha

mase_gotsem (Observer): yea u tell him

Ziigmund:

??????????????????????????????????

durrrr: mike

Mike Matusow: geez

durrrr: not the kindv thing to say

durrrr: @ table

Mike Matusow: wtf

durrrr: jus relax...

mogreen22 (Observer): ziggys sooo off mikeys top

8

Mike Matusow: welllisten to him told him not in

chat

durrrr: jus tryin to b friendly

Mike Matusow: and he doont stop

mase_gotsem (Observer): well id say same thing

keep it on phone or private

1F---ingTime (Observer): lol mogreen

Mike Matusow: exactly

Mike Matusow: ty

durrrr: i dunno situation im jus sayin dont do @ table

Mike Matusow: i told him that

durrrr: my 2c fwiw

spezunk (Observer): MIKEY I SENT HIM 10K FOR

YOU

spezunk (Observer): NOW YOU OWE ME

spezunk (Observer): SEND WHEN YOU GOT IT

spezunk (Observer): NP

Ziigmund: sure......but mike...the thing why i say it

again cause u promise to put it same day and now

it s like 2months

jayyyy000007 (Observer): hey mike u having a win

mate?

Mike Matusow: u stilltalking about it

Mike Matusow: odnt know what u are talkign a

bout sorry

spezunk (Observer): &$@&ing drrrrr always table

capt

spezunk (Observer): wtf?

spezunk (Observer): lol

mase_gotsem (Observer): fk

Mike Matusow: wowo

CalluBudddy (Observer): no way

Ziigmund: ?????????????'

DeadMoney76 (Observer): reload!!!

Mike Matusow:

????????????????????????????

mase_gotsem (Observer): iggy his fkn %&# mike

1F---ingTime (Observer): he can not pay zig back

but can reload

1F---ingTime (Observer): shady

CalluBudddy (Observer): stay out of his biz man

Mike Matusow: im a shaday guy

Mike Matusow: i stif everyone

Knickolus (Observer): hah

mase_gotsem (Observer): lol

Mike Matusow: how u sthink istay in action

spezunk (Observer): mike reload for 20k so i can

lmfao

POKERGOD18 (Observer): LOL

Izvestia (Observer): who is durrr?

Mike Matusow: by fkingeveryone

durrrr: lul

Knickolus (Observer): kiddy game is down the

street!!!!

POKERGOD18 (Observer): thats how u stay broke

rich

mase_gotsem (Observer): lol mik e u fnnt guy

CalluBudddy (Observer): srry for sayin anything

mike but this isnt right

POKERGOD18 (Observer): borrow and play

POKERGOD18 (Observer): hehehe

PiraHnnA (Observer): lmao mike'

POKERGOD18 (Observer): fck em all mikey

mogreen22 (Observer): its none of your business

POKERGOD18 (Observer): who caes what they

think

CalluBudddy (Observer): everyone talkin about it

mogreen22 (Observer): shut up

PiraHnnA (Observer): durrr?

PiraHnnA (Observer): who r u

PiraHnnA (Observer): sir

POKERGOD18 (Observer): id love to see mikey

take 10k off zig lol

Knickolus (Observer): Mikey you in Montana right

now?

POKERGOD18 (Observer): wouldnt that be a nice

kick in the balls

POKERGOD18 (Observer): lol

1F---ingTime (Observer): I would not lend mike a

pair of old undies

spezunk (Observer): stfu

Mike Matusow: im a bad person

Mike Matusow: i steal from everyone

Hollatchaboy69 (Observer): i like you mike

1F---ingTime (Observer): lol

Mike Matusow: fk em

DeadMoney76 (Observer): mike pays everyone

back

Hollatchaboy69 (Observer): ur cool in my book

Ziigmund: please

Would you consider Matusow a good poker player, both in his morals and style of play, after reading this???

Dude, you have such a conformist view of things I doubt I could get you to understand a concept like becoming an autodidact but I can assure you DN is a highly educated man despite never even completing high school.

Where did I make a mass generalization? Clussman I have some advice for you, before responding in a thread make sure you read the post first.

Your buddy in all this dumwaldo is the one that made the generalization that pro poker players were vastly more educated than pro athletes. Sorry if you didn't read that and just decided to throw in your two cents.

He went as far as to say that athletes are pushed through school because of their athletic ability, not just some, he said a majority.

He made the statement about poker players and athletes when it comes to an education, not me.

Of cource you can be intelligent without getting higher education, but does that mean that getting a higher education shouldn't be a goal? Like it or not getting a piece of paper that says degree on it is pretty important.

There are generalizations being thrown in about athletes and I want to be clear that I'm not saying there are no athletes who are good role models -- there are some. Tiger Woods keeps his private life private and probably makes a great role model because he worked very hard to become the best at what he does and because he is polite when he's on camera. That said, this whole argument started because DACHSXTWO made the idiotic generalization that kids should idolize athletes and not poker players.

That premise was idiotic for so many reasons. I don't think people should idolize anybody. Admire maybe. Emulate the positive actions of someone, absolutely. But not idolize. It also made a sweeping generalization as to the characters and worthiness of pro athletes (good) and pro poker players (bad) and was wrong on both accounts. It's really no wonder that, on a poker forum, things went downhill from there.

You don't have to attend college to be 'educated'. Each of those individuals is extremely intelligent and they didn't get that way in a vacuum. You accuse everybody else of making gross generalizations and then turn around and make gross generalizations.

I had more that I was going to say and it was less polite, but a client called me while I was writing this. So I'll just leave it there.

some of the risks and temptations presented to a young person by pro sports and poker are actually pretty similar. look at any basketball player taken out of high school. many college football players opt to skip senior year to enter the draft so they start getting paid (interesting note that relates to dumwaldo's point as to why they do this. it's because of the risk of injuring oneself before the money starts rolling in.) pro athletes are dropping out or skipping college just like some of the young poker pros out there. i didn't like when espn's coverage of the WSOP main event mentioned paul wasika as a college dropout. ESPN last spring talked about how matt lienart should've gone pro in his junior year instead of completing his education because the draft in 06 contained better players.

however, on both sides, experienced poker players, and experienced athletic pros encourage young players to stay in school. that point should be more emphasized, imo.

Dashsxtwo May i ask what you do for a living, what kind of education you've had?If you have children?Only because if you feel so strongly about poker being badddd ,children follow by example and why are you setting such a bad example if you truly feel this way?Would you be proud if your daughter married OJ,or for that much Bill clinton lol Where is the a perfect example these days? YOUR IT HONEY !!Go buy those trading cards for your kids and let them trade cards with their friends , better to spend the money on them now than bail when they start trading in your tv for drugs .Heck you wont be able to watch poker anymore or are you just a closet watcher after the kids go to bed?

With all due respect I don't want to look through and find links for all of it. I wasn't making a mass generaliztion like dumbwaldo was.

What im basically saying is we all know Andy Bloch is an MIT grad and we know it because of Full Tilt and stuff we've seen on tv.

I'm not making a mass generalization like dumbwaldo was, he said a majority of pro poker players are highly educated, I agree some are and we know cause they are famous and their stories are told all the time on tv.

But I just wanted to name a few names of pro players that are not highly educated just to add some balance and some reality to the comment he made.

I promise you if you look up the names I mentioned you'll see they did not get higher educations. And to add another one Phil Helmuth dropped out of college to play poker, I think we all saw that story on ESPN.

I think anyone that is being honest can agree that saying a majority of pro poker players are highly educated and that a majority of athletes are pushed through school are absolutely outrageous generalizations that have no facts behind them.

Professional sports is probably the biggest drag on American society. Pro sports figures are BY FAR the worst possible role model you could offer a person, let alone a child.

The majority of pro poker players are educated.

The majority of pro athletes are socially promoted through schools.

Teaching kids to stay in school and apply themselves is good. Teaching them to pay more attention to their ball game than studies is not good.

Playing poker for a living has financial risks that could leave you broke.

Playing a pro sport for a living has financial risks that could leave you broke AND physical risks that could leave you physically broken for the rest of your life.

So playing poker you could go broke and then have to get some money together to start over again but being a pro athlete you could take one wrong step and have everything end FOREVER in an instant.

seriously dude, this is a poker forum. you think stuff like that will go unnoticed?

Back to back threads; I think I might have my first stalker. 1) Please learn how to quote people -- it's not that difficult. 2) Learn to understand facetiousness. 3) Are you going to contribute anything of value to this forum, ever?

what makes a baseball player a better role model for kids?

80% of poker players would probably be a bad roll model.

80% of athletes would probably be a bad roll model.

80% of society would probably be a bad roll model.

maybe you should be your kids roll model.

ah but there's the problem, he's a poker player

Actually I am using facts becasue I know for certain that none of the players are mentioned are highly educated because of interviews i've seen on them during poker tourneys and stuff i've read about them.

I'm not saying they are bad people because they are not highly educated I am just saying that dumwaldo's statment that a majority of pro poker players are highly educated is completely false.

So yes I am basing my statements on facts and you like you can do some research and see for yourself.

A majority of poker players are educated

Do you have some research or facts to back that statement up? Or are you just basing it on the 5 really famous ones you see on tv all the time? Hate to burst your bubble but there are more than 5 professional poker players, Andy Bloch, Howard Lederer, any of the other famous guys that are highly educated do not make up the bulk of the professional poker player world.

Daniel Neg is not highly educated, Phil Ivey is not highly educated, Jennifer Harmon is not high educated, Mike the Mouth is not highly educated. Your statement has absolutely no factual information to back it up.

A majority of professional athletes are socially promoted through schools.

Another statement with absolutely no factual evidence to back it up. Majority is a strong word my friend, you may want to choose your words more carefully. What makes professional athletes role models is not always just their level of education or their ability to play a sport. Its the fact that kids want to be active and play a sport, being a high school teacher I see the positive impact that playing sports has on kids. Anything that encourages a kid to join and team and active is a positive.

Teaching kids to stay in school and apply themselves is good. Teaching them to pay more attention to their ball game than studies is not good.

You can be interested in sports and be a good student at the same time, being involved in high school sports actually benefits a students academic life because most teams require their athletes to maintain a certain GPA which is even higher than what the state requires and they are expected to be good citizens in the community.

A few bad apples doesn't mean sports is a haven for kids to be pushed through school and you are doing nothing more than making outrageous generalizations.

It is unrealistic to expect to be a pro poker player or a pro athlete. But striving to be a student/athlete certainly has more positivies than striving to be a pro poker player.

Hell Daniel N and Phil Ivey routinely tell stories of skipping school to go player poker in some casion or underground club, so don't try to tell me that all professional poker players are MIT and Harvard grad students. That is not the reality of it.

Last time I checked colleges were not handing out scholarships for poker players.Last edited by DACHSXTWO on Mon Feb 19, 2007 3:42 pm; edited 1 time in total