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    after my experience with 10-cent turbo's, countless freerolls, and a few NFG's, not to mention these guys have been at it for over a week, what i saw at the table last night [about 4-5 hours when they were 4, then 3]

    was pretty friggin' solid play... boring, yes, but overall... solid.

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    That guy's face just screams "douchebag" so badly...I want to punch it

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    well said brother

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      CommentAuthorOB-Wan222
    • CommentTimeJul 18th 2007
     

    You're new here, but lately there has been a considerable rash of rudeness, so I would like to point out that you are in violation of forum rules.

    4. Don’t abuse, bash or slander anyone. If the whole point of your post or thread is to put someone down or call them a homo it doesn't belong in the forums. C’mon, that’s just not cool. 8)

    You can find the rules here...

    Welcome Message and Forum Etiquette (ALL NEW FORUM MEMBERS PLEASE READ THIS)

    I don't say this to put you down or discourage you from participating in our discussions. It's not entirely your fault but of late everyone acts as if personal attacks are an acceptable form of debate - they are not

    Please don't stop posting, but adopt a more reasonable tone.

    Other than that, welcome and I hope you enjoy the forum.

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      CommentAuthorcubbies760
    • CommentTimeJul 18th 2007
     

    This can be a spoiler thread without one entering the Televised Section. It shows up when you check posts since last visit, and in the recent posts scroll.

    Don't be ignorant when implying that it is one's own problem if they encounters a thread like this if they were concerned about knowing who the Main Event winner is.

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    At FT's website, I read this,concerning Mr. Yang:

    "Turned $225 into more than $8.2 Million"

    Anyone knows if he got in the ME after playing at a FT satellite? If so, isnt he going to get an extra 10 Mil?

    Thanks.

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      CommentAuthorLazarus88
    • CommentTimeJul 18th 2007
     

    Someone new to hate on for a whole year woohoo my life is complete.

    WELL DONE jerry yang !!!!

    If you dont want a WSOP spoiler dont enter the Televised Event Discussion thread what else is going to be discussed lately but the WSOP.Last edited by Lazarus88 on Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:32 am; edited 1 time in total

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      CommentAuthorPete D
    • CommentTimeJul 18th 2007
     

    Yeah, that was one ballsy move by Hilm... maybe even ballsier by Yang to call with TPTK.

    Amazing how one hand could change history. If a 5, 8 or diamond falls on the river, Yang falls down to about $6M and probably doesn't win it.

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    Well done Jerry Yang!.....Jerry has a style that most arent used to and most dont employ.....he is loose aggressive when it comes to short handed......but if u listened to anything that was said u woulda heard that when the tables were full not at the final table he was patient and TAG.......Jerry i think made a decision at the begining of the final table that he was playing for the win only.....that being said he prob knows that in order to win a major event of this size u have to get lucky a few times.......he took some shots w/ very marginal hands (many disagree on this) but he wasnt playing to "move up" so he took some risks in order to acheive the "big reward".....Jerry is much different than Jamie Gold (as we all know i think he is nothing more than a donkey) i think Jerry played very well........he was relentlessly aggressive but he got away at the key nessesary times and made his opponents fear playing back at him.....what more can u do if your trying to win a world title?.....against the good players he was up against u must get "unorthadox" and "creative" which he did! Congrats Jerry Yang!

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      CommentAuthorPete D
    • CommentTimeJul 18th 2007
     

    Me too... I'm real curious to know what Yang was holding in Hand #9 when he got Childs to fold pocket queens. Yang played it like he had AA, KK or at the very least, AK of clubs... if he had anything less, that showed some cajones because he would have been crippled severely if he lost that hand.

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    Guys a donk I hope anyone but him wins.

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      CommentAuthorcicadaDOWN
    • CommentTimeJul 18th 2007
     

    I was actually talking about when the table was 4 handed. Sorry I didn't clarify.

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      CommentAuthorLazarus88
    • CommentTimeJul 18th 2007
     

    This can be a spoiler thread without one entering the Televised Section. It shows up when you check posts since last visit, and in the recent posts scroll.

    Don't be ignorant when implying that it is one's own problem if they encounters a thread like this if they were concerned about knowing who the Main Event winner is.

    So wheres the SPOILER on fulltilt front page ? Why bother going around with mods saying hey dont post that change the title then put it on the front page. One is not amused.

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      CommentAuthorPete D
    • CommentTimeJul 18th 2007
     

    Some people say Yang got lucky, and he certainly did at times (tell me someone who won a MTT that didn't have some luck)... but he put unbelievable pressure on people and forced others into mistakes.

    Three hands early on gave him the huge chip lead...

    1. JJ vs QQ against Childs (his aggression got Childs to fold).

    2. AK vs 58 against Hilm... gutsy call. Flopping TPTK is always nice, but how many people could have made that call w/ millions of dollars at stake?

    3. A9 vs A7 against Watkinson... arguably a really bad call, but nonetheless, he still had the best hand here.

    Anyway, I don't know if you can say he got lucky on any of these hands that set the tone for the final table.

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      CommentAuthorOldRod
    • CommentTimeJul 18th 2007
     

    My wife and I were talking about that as well. He was sitting great and could have coasted to the final table, then 2 hands later he's gone. The look on his face was hard to read. I couldn't tell if he was sad at losing, mad at himself for how he lost, or if something else was going on that distracted him (and made him lose).

    It was too bad - I like Scotty. Wish he would have made the finals.

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    What a great job by Yang, at least he isnt a jerk like Gold is, I think he played great and got very lucky but he was the one who went for it unlike the others who sat back and watch Jerry climb the ranks

    Boy how dissapointing is it to be the chip leader and finish 9th: Phillip Hilm

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      CommentAuthorBilly5150
    • CommentTimeJul 18th 2007
     

    He won a $225 sat at Pehanga Casino in his home town of Temecula, CA. Very nice poker room.

    Nice ROI. What is that, like 3667% ROI?

    Good stuff!

    Billy

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      CommentAuthorMagogDP
    • CommentTimeJul 18th 2007
     

    Spoken like a true Jack A$$.

    I'm sure Jamie gold is a real donkey.. considering how he's doing so well on High stakes poker.

    Christ it's like listening to a bunch of bitter old dryed up Phil Hell mouths around here.

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    The interview Bluff had with him after he had one was one of the best ones I have heard. He was very humble. This guy is going to make a great representative as champ this year.

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      CommentAuthorPete D
    • CommentTimeJul 19th 2007
     

    I thought they didn't play conservatively enough... Hilm, Watkinson & Rahme risked all of their chips in less than ideal situations. Yang was virtually unbluffable... I can guarantee those guys wish they could have a mulligan and replay that table... there was no need to get so crazy so early.

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      CommentAuthorPete D
    • CommentTimeJul 19th 2007
     

    I believe they said on the telecast yesterday that he won the satellite from a live game at his hometown casino in Temecula, CA.

    But I thought he played great despite a couple of questionable calls. Even Phil Gordon changed his tune about Yang by the end of the telecast saying he played well... Gordon even bet Gavin Smith that Yang would beat Lam heads up (and laid 5-2 odds).

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    Right. I don't want to pile on ObWan, but I do have to ask, who died and made you class tattle tale?

    You're just making it worse by butting in and trying to be head boyscout (or whatever the hell it is you're doing). Let the moderators do their job and just butt the hell out when this rash of "rudeness" doesn't involve you. If you don't like a given thread because it's gotten "too rude," don't read it, instead of going around trying to police good manners. Since it seems life in general somehow hasn't taught you this already - nobody likes people who do that.

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      CommentAuthorPete D
    • CommentTimeJul 19th 2007
     

    Good call... he had JJ. Wow, that was quite a hand... Childs was playing kinda scared and Yang picked up on it.

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      CommentAuthorMarkGreb
    • CommentTimeJul 19th 2007
     

    I know when he eliminated Lee Watkinson it sure sounded like he was saying The Lords Prayer .

    Last time I checked the Bible doesn't have too much good to say about gambling so would praying work?

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      CommentAuthorSpigwish
    • CommentTimeJul 19th 2007
     

    I was impressed by his play. With his persistence, constant raising, and refusing to back down, he dominated the table. He would not allow the others players to get overly involved solely with each other, which meant that the chips were flowing in only one direction; his. On the three occasions that he doubled the other players up, he went into it with the best hand preflop. I think that he played that table excellently. To be perfectly honest, I was rooting for Lam, but Yung totally deserved that win.

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      CommentAuthorSpigwish
    • CommentTimeJul 19th 2007
     

    I agree with you Chris, that was absolutely beautiful bigstack play.

    Regarding "spoiling" the tournament for others, I do feel for you, however, it is probably a bit naive to think that you can avoid hearing about the results prior to watching the broadcasts. Sorry, but you would probably need to take extreme measures to sequester yourself.

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      CommentAuthorcicadaDOWN
    • CommentTimeJul 19th 2007
     

    Well if nothing else, Jerry definitely set the pace of the table. The guy really dictated the action with his consistent raising and re raising.

    In my opinion, the other players played a little too conservative. With the repeated amount of times Jerry was raising, I would have liked to see the other players play back at him a little bit. There were several times where post flop I would have liked to see Tuan Lam lead out and bet but he just seemed scared to pull the trigger.

    Rahme definitely had me confused when he was pushing all in to an unraised pot for 30+ times the BB. Everyone I was watching with was absolutely baffled. We just assumed he was on tilt from the hand he'd lost to Tuan before that... but then when he played the KKs (the hand where Jerry busted him) I just realized he was an idiot - as Phil Gordon had pointed out earlier. I just can't understand how an Ace falls on the flop and he could check the action over to Jerry. I mean, a 2-3 million chip feeler bet wouldn't take down the pot, but it would definitely turn up a red flag when Jerry reraises or calls... but instead he checks the flop, lets Jerry bet at it, and then he goes all in over the top of him... UGH.

    I also would have liked a more entertaining personality at the table. Someone that actually talked. These guys were silent 95% of the time.

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      CommentAuthorroxx
    • CommentTimeJul 19th 2007
     

    I'll have to admit after seeing some of his hole cards that maybe he has read a book or two. But it obviously didnt sink in. I say it again OMFG Jerry Yang. But you know what...you gotta give two thimbs up to the spirits he was prying to.

    -roxx

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    You're newer here than me. Stop being a w33nis.

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      CommentAuthorroxx
    • CommentTimeJul 23rd 2007
     

    I just finished the last few hands of the final table...just couldnt stay up last night. And well I too have to give it up to the relentless pressure Jerry Yang placed on Tuan Lam during the last few hours of the tounrament. He was able to take a hit, recover, and keep the pressure on until it eventually broke Tuan Lam.

    My only question was why oh why did the "Poker Gods" give Jerry that 8? LOL...I mean come on, shouldnt there be some sort of seperation of religion and poker table.

    I mean whats next 1000 90 year old buddhist coming to reap the benefits of a liftime of good karma? Hmm, I wonder if they need a stake? So all in all I may have been a bit critical of Jerry Yang early in the broadcast, but the better player definitly won in the end....Way To Go Jerry Yang.

    -roxx

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      CommentAuthorPAPAPAJOE
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2007
     

    I cant beklieve what I saw happen with Scotty. I realize most of the hands have been cut out of espn. Can someone tell what was going on with Scotty who saw the live.

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      CommentAuthorMagogDP
    • CommentTimeOct 10th 2007
     

    So calling the wsop a complete donkfest is not insulting?

    I just want to understand... It's not flamming or trolling so long as that person isn't here to defend themselves? Like kicking Jerry Yang around?

    I mean the whole thread was designed to troll why wasn't it closed?

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      CommentAuthorJ29622
    • CommentTimeOct 10th 2007
     

    The last player that I cared about winning it, Lee Watkinson, was eliminated so I really don't care who wins anymore.

    WSOP has become a donkfest.

    If only Scotty Nguyen didn't blow it, he would have had a shot at making history of becoming the first repeat champion since Johnny Chan and the first pro to win it since 2001.

    Such a shame, really.

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      CommentAuthoradumami
    • CommentTimeOct 10th 2007
     

    this is a photo i will cherish for a long time

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      CommentAuthorPete D
    • CommentTimeOct 10th 2007
     

    I was thinking the same thing... and Yang's face/name is in the main lobby also. You're going to have to bury your head in the sand for a few months if you really don't want to know who the ME champion is.

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      CommentAuthorbyamamoto1
    • CommentTimeOct 10th 2007
     

    you know you have to give the guy his props. as phil gordon said yesterday he's not the most fundamentally sound poker player, but most times he got it in with the best of it. As for the J8s hand, he was the one that re-raised all-in putting pressure on his opponent. How many people could have made that call there with KJo for their entire tournament life, at the final table of the WSOP. Lee Childs made a great call, one that was gutsy and ended up being the correct one. He just so happened to get unlucky. Most normal people would fold a lot hands stronger than KJ in that spot.

    Jerry took a super aggressive approach. His call of A9 to Wakinson's A7 was a pretty bad one, but ended up being the right one. He made a few oversized raises(sometimes HUGE), but other than that i thought he played a pretty solid game. He re-raised a lot and was uncontested much of the time. When he did get called down or an All-in happened, he had the best of it. I think thats the ideal situation for LAG players.

    I think that since the players had so many chips and big M's for the most part, they had expected the first few hours to go by pretty slow. Jerry took the opposite approach and started to get in there and play huge pots. I'm not saying the other better players were in-correct in their play, but I don't think they adjusted very well to Jerry's style. If the two Lee's and Hilm were to be a little more patient, i have no doubt that they would have been able to pick him off. I think Jerry deserve's his props. Probably not the best player at the table but he played a good game.

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      CommentAuthorroxx
    • CommentTimeOct 11th 2007
     

    Did anyone else just see the amazing donk-ness of jerry yang? I mean to beat a guy is fine, but to put a guys all-in with J 8 and get lucky to turn an 8 is sick. However it happens everyday.

    The real reason I'm writting this is to try to examine those short words he said in english while the cards were coming out. Was a that prayer? Was he praying? Not even to god, but to his dead relative. Asking the spirits to grant you a win is something that I've never tried but apparently it works.

    Chalk that one up to the "Poker Gods".

    -roxx

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    At the start of the tournament Phil Gordon was highly critical of Yang, saying (while apologizing for doing so) that he is the worst player at the table, and that that was the consensus of everyone he spoke to. I'm sure it is understandable since he didn't have the pedigree of most of the others. He and Ali were incredulous as Yang continued to plow through the table.

    It was so cute to see him mutter prayers to himself, both silently and very audibly, every time he was in a showdown. I didn't realize that our Heavenly Father was such a poker fan!

    I'm really looking forward to the ESPN coverage so that we will be able to see Yang's hole cards.

    He's seems so likable, and it's hard not to compare him to our previous champion. I don't know why Jamie Gold is so hard for me to like. ESPN has been showing recaps of previous final tables where they have one-on-one interviews with the past champions and the runners-up, with running commentary. Gold still comes across as arrogant.

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    I didn't watch him play so maybe he did play a hell of a game but this is what they had to say about him BEFORE the FT.

    Here's the link to the article:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=poker&entryDate=20070716

    and now during:

    Lee Watkinson, who finished eighth:

    Sure he was probably bitter about the loss but a pro usualy know how to handle tough loses and doesn't say things like that lightly.

    Phil Gordon said on the PPV broadcast

    Erick Lindgren said.

    Maybe all these pros are bitter that they're not the ones winning, but those are some nasty comments from people that usually don't just throw words like that around. And even most people that think he played great qualify his play by saying he was an agresive bully and made "statement calls" . Keep in mind that the article covering teh final 9 I linked to said he played this way befpre ever having a big stack, so I guess the statements calls were saying "don't bluff cause I can't fold any pair or paint." In other words any player playing against us like that and we would say he was a fish.

    He pushes with ATC and can't fold even when he meets resistance. Sure he came up on the winning end in many instances, but for the most part he just got it all in with hands that he should have likely folded (even when he was good) because the odds of him being in decent shape were slim. For every "great" call with A9 of A7, he made one with A9, against KK or AQ... so from teh lloks of it its not that he was making great moves, but that he coudn't lay down and ace or any 2 paint, and he would either get lucky or actually find himself marginally ahead and win.

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      CommentAuthorChris
    • CommentTimeNov 7th 2007
     

    i'm not a fan of jerry yang, but his J8 play was fine. there is nothing wrong with defending your big blind, especially against a button or sb raise. it was a very common resteal.

    also, he played his stack very well. when you are that aggressive you have to make "statement" calls and let the table know they better have real hands if they are going to come over the top. if you didn't notice, he froze the whole table. nobody there even attempted to make a move on him! they were all waiting for real hands.

    too bad that danish player went out 9th. he was the one guy who wasn't going to be pushed around. you could just tell by his demeanor at the table. a few hands in i knew he and jerry were going to do battle early.

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    Here we go already.....

    First of all, you should put "spoiler" in the thread title and not mention any names in the title and give it away. Personally, i don't care but others might.

    Second of all, you are probably those same class of people that called Jamie Gold a donk too. Every one who wins the most prestigious tournament in poker is a donk. It gets so **** old and i am sick of it.

    When you win millions of dollars then you can have an opinion about who is a donk and who isn't. I didn't actually watch one hand of the main event, but i can tell you right now anyone who wins any tournament with thousands of people in it IS NOT A DONK. The donks were out in the first few levels.

    Stop being so immature and ignorant about it. Last i checked, you weren't a poker pro. And i know this because a poker PRO would NOT call the winner of a huge tournament a donk.

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    I'm going to say AQ or JJ-99. It's possible he was on another bluff breflop and maybe even hit the flop hard, but those are the hands I am putting him on, certainly not AA or KK.Last edited by dodge these on Sat Oct 13, 2007 11:21 am; edited 1 time in total