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      CommentAuthorFOUR ASES
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007
     

    Game #4463229521: Table Hills Center - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:34:12 ET - 2007/12/10

    Seat 1: SpriteChild ($9.15)

    Seat 2: MysticOwl ($4.70)

    Seat 3: Jtrips22 ($2)

    Seat 4: joepackwood ($0), is sitting out

    Seat 5: raistlin46 ($5.90)

    Seat 6: ALLINLIN ($2.65)

    Seat 7: Jeffro1200 ($10.10)

    Seat 8: Nightmare_Four ($1.40)

    Seat 9: FOUR ASES ($10)

    MysticOwl posts the small blind of $0.05

    Jtrips22 has 5 seconds left to act

    Jtrips22 is sitting out

    raistlin46 posts the big blind of $0.10

    joepackwood stands up

    5 seconds left to act

    Jtrips22 stands up

    FOUR ASES posts $0.10

    Nightmare_Four posts a dead small blind of $0.05

    Zynx87 sits down

    The button is in seat #1

    *** HOLE CARDS ***

    Dealt to FOUR ASES [Ad Ac]

    Zynx87 adds $10

    ALLINLIN calls $0.10

    KBostonK21 sits down

    KBostonK21 adds $10

    Jeffro1200 has 15 seconds left to act

    Jeffro1200 folds

    Nightmare_Four has 15 seconds left to act

    Nightmare_Four calls $0.10

    FOUR ASES has 15 seconds left to act

    FOUR ASES raises to $0.20

    SpriteChild calls $0.20

    MysticOwl folds

    raistlin46 calls $0.10

    ALLINLIN has 15 seconds left to act

    ALLINLIN calls $0.10

    Nightmare_Four raises to $0.40

    FOUR ASES calls $0.20

    SpriteChild has 15 seconds left to act

    SpriteChild calls $0.20

    raistlin46 calls $0.20

    ALLINLIN calls $0.20

    *** FLOP *** [Ah 7h 6s]

    raistlin46 checks

    ALLINLIN checks

    Nightmare_Four bets $0.95, and is all in

    FOUR ASES has 15 seconds left to act

    FOUR ASES calls $0.95

    SpriteChild folds

    raistlin46 folds

    ALLINLIN raises to $2.25, and is all in

    FOUR ASES calls $1.30

    ALLINLIN shows [8h 6h]

    Nightmare_Four shows [As 3c]

    FOUR ASES shows [Ad Ac]

    *** TURN *** [Ah 7h 6s] [2h]

    *** RIVER *** [Ah 7h 6s 2h] [9s]

    ALLINLIN shows a flush, Ace high

    FOUR ASES shows three of a kind, Aces

    ALLINLIN wins the side pot ($2.30) with a flush, Ace high

    Nightmare_Four shows a pair of Aces

    ALLINLIN wins the main pot ($4.50) with a flush, Ace high

    Nightmare_Four is sitting out

    *** SUMMARY ***

    Total pot $7.55 Main pot $4.95. Side pot $2.60. | Rake $0.75

    Board: [Ah 7h 6s 2h 9s]

    Seat 1: SpriteChild (button) folded on the Flop

    Seat 2: MysticOwl (small blind) folded before the Flop

    Seat 3: Jtrips22 is sitting out

    Seat 4: joepackwood is sitting out

    Seat 5: raistlin46 (big blind) folded on the Flop

    Seat 6: ALLINLIN showed [8h 6h] and won ($6.80) with a flush, Ace high

    Seat 7: Jeffro1200 didn't bet (folded)

    Seat 8: Nightmare_Four showed [As 3c] and lost with a pair of Aces

    Seat 9: FOUR ASES showed [Ad Ac] and lost with three of a kind, Aces

    I really can't believe how crap hands win so much on FTP.

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      CommentAuthorPokerJessO
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007
     

    Can you please explain what you hope to accomplish with a min raise when there's already 2 limpers in the pot and the blinds yet to act? Do you really think it's a good idea to encourage a multi-way pot when you have pocket aces?

    After your terrible min-raise, this would be the best outcome you could possibly hope for. Someone else re-raised. Calling here will only encourage everyone else in the pot to call. Not raising here was by far your worst play of the hand.

    They do when you let it happen. You had several chances to push the crap hands out, but you played waaaaaaay too weak.

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      CommentAuthorhghlndr6
    • CommentTimeDec 11th 2007
     

    HuJwang can explain himself, but here's my opinion:

    Crap hands can win if you let them win and that's what your slow play / passive play did here. No, I'm not saying you needed to push pre-flop, but a much stronger pre-flop raise with your rockets could have saved you the aggravation. You min raised .20 into a .50 pot? why wouldn't they call.

    You hit a set on the flop but it shows a possible flush. Too late to do anything about the all-in in front of you and the guy behind you with the flush draw was getting odds. I can't fault his call there.

    The time to take control of that hand was pre-flop.

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      CommentAuthorHuJwang
    • CommentTimeDec 11th 2007
     

    On a side note, this HH is a great example of why converters are good. Look at all the stupid irrelevant crap you have to read through just to see what the action is.

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    That's fine. Post pictures. Post useless crap all over the place in this forum. Just do everyone here a favor and don't post anything related. You clearly are better at posting pictures than playing .

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    The point is I am qualified to post useless crap annnnnnnnnnnd related material. Because I, unlike you, am a winning player. I, unlike you, don't butcher hands (at NL$10 lol) and then come on a forum and try to berate the other idiot, and FTP for my own mistakes.

    You are a moron. Honestly, your ROI is probably higher scratching off lottery tickets than it is playing the lowest limit of NLHE that you can find on the internet. What do you have to lose? Clearly not your dignity.

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      CommentAuthorwwcd5215
    • CommentTimeDec 11th 2007
     

    he never blamed ...

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    PokerJess0 has it spot on. This is by some way, the worst example of how NOT to play AA in a cash game that I have EVER seen.

    Quite frankly sir, if you can't accept that your disgustingly bad play invited the end result of you losing the hand, then your long posting history has taught you very little about how to .

    Please don't feel as though the whole world is flaming you here. There is a lot of constructive criticism in this thread. Try to take it on board.

    There are times and situations where slow-playing a monster hand is the most effective way of extracting value. This particular situation was almost the exact opposite. You MUST raise heavily to force the early limpers to fold, or call with incorrect odds. Otherwise, your opponents are not making mistakes. You WILL NOT win at until you can create opportunities for your opponents to make mistakes.

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      CommentAuthorFOUR ASES
    • CommentTimeDec 11th 2007
     

    I would say that around 30% of your useless posts are not about . They are about football and movies.

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      CommentAuthorIABoomer
    • CommentTimeDec 11th 2007
     

    [insert "O RLY" owl here]

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      CommentAuthorcjavdani
    • CommentTimeDec 11th 2007
     

    , $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 7 Players

    [URL="http://www.leggopoker.com"]LeggoPoker.com[/URL] - [URL="http://www.leggopoker.com/hh"]Hand History Converter[/URL]

    BTN: $9.15

    SB: $4.70

    BB: $5.90

    UTG: $2.65

    UTG+1: $10.10

    MP: $1.40

    Hero (CO): $10

    Hero posts $0.10

    MP posts $0.05

    Pre-Flop: A A dealt to Hero (CO)

    UTG calls $0.10, UTG+1 folds, MP calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.20, BTN calls $0.20, SB folds, BB calls $0.10, UTG calls $0.10, MP raises to $0.40, Hero calls $0.20, BTN calls $0.20, BB calls $0.20, UTG calls $0.20

    Flop: ($2.15) A 7 6 (5 Players)

    BB checks, UTG checks, MP bets $0.95 and is All-In, Hero calls $0.95, 2 folds, UTG raises to $2.25 and is All-In, Hero calls $1.30

    Turn: ($7.60) 2 (3 Players - 1 is All-In)

    River: ($7.60) 9 (3 Players - 1 is All-In)

    Results: $7.60 Pot ($0.75 Rake)

    UTG showed 8 6 (a flush, Ace high) and WON $6.80 (+$4.15 NET)

    MP showed A 3 (a pair of Aces) and LOST (-$1.40 NET)

    Hero showed A A (three of a kind, Aces) and LOST (-$2.70 NET)

    That is much easier to read.

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      CommentAuthorStevieWard
    • CommentTimeDec 11th 2007
     

    +1

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      CommentAuthorFOUR ASES
    • CommentTimeDec 11th 2007
     

    There is NOTHING that surprises me playing with FTP anymore. I along with others will be just watchers on the forum after my money is gone with FTP. They will get no deposits anymore from me.

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      CommentAuthorHuJwang
    • CommentTimeDec 11th 2007
     

    I laughed.

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      CommentAuthorjaejaejae
    • CommentTimeDec 11th 2007
     

    Besides that obvious your also playing .05/.10 tables. The play at that level is very bad... Trust me I know... I'm one of them.

    A/A you have to push that harder than a raise of .10 I'd call that everytime and hope to catch a flop like he did.

    I use to blame too. That was before I realized most of it was my bad playing.

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      CommentAuthorFOUR ASES
    • CommentTimeDec 11th 2007
     

    This is a forum, so hands are talked about.

    You are a newbie who knows nothing about this forum. You set an example on why newbies are bashed when they first start posting.

    Some of us posters are trying very hard not to bash down your deep throat about your stupid first time posts , when you first start posting. So I wouldn't do that for you first couple of posts.

    You should read around the forum and learn about some of the great posts that are here. You might learn something besides HA HA HA and LOL LOL. Those are words for children in grade school.

    This is not bashing, just a very easy learning experence for a newbie and there first couple of posts.

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      CommentAuthordlingdling
    • CommentTimeDec 11th 2007
     

    You let him in by minraising with AA. He might still have called PF with a larger raise, but you gave him no reason to fold.

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      CommentAuthoramuzulo
    • CommentTimeDec 11th 2007
     

    Hey, try not to let him get to you. It was insulting... you're a beginner. We were all beginners at some point. All beginners are tempted to slow play their pocket aces, and then one day you learn how dangerous it is. I find insulting a beginner to be one of the lowest things you can do though. Keep improving and keep at it, and remember that most people gave constructive advice instead of lashing out at you.

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    U MINRAISED WITH ACES DONKEY STOP CRYING ABOUT LOSING TO A DRAW

    i play 1/2 and i call with 8 6 suited cos it is a disguised hand with massive reverse implied odds

    Iv had my fair share of bad beats on FTP but you play preflop was terrible

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    AA is never a guaranteed win like most people think it is.

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    I luv the min raises.

    JL

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      CommentAuthorFOUR ASES
    • CommentTimeDec 11th 2007
     

    So how could I have played it any different ? Go allin preflop ?

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      CommentAuthorIABoomer
    • CommentTimeDec 11th 2007
     

    You played your AA for action and you got it. Don't be surprised when someone flops a good draw and outdraws you when you priced them in the whole way.

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      CommentAuthorwwcd5215
    • CommentTimeDec 11th 2007
     

    he did blame ...

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      CommentAuthor1JUMPY1
    • CommentTimeDec 11th 2007
     

    +1

    I have to remind myself that at these friggen donk levels (I am playing right along with you) that it is really "NO FOLD'EM HOLD'EM" being played.

    I think you needed to push after the first re raise . but I wasn't at the table with you . I would rather be in a coin flip with 1 player than 2 or three , Truth is I have stopped putting all my chips in with a single pair pre-flop in a ring game. Tourneys with escalating blinds are a different beast entirely .

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      CommentAuthorFOUR ASES
    • CommentTimeDec 11th 2007
     

    Maybe it's a forum to not talk about ?

    How about posting about different types of country's customs music ?

    Or How about talking about the different types of cars ?

    Or how about talking about computers?

    Or about High schools?

    The list could go on and on, just not talk about ...

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      CommentAuthorwwcd5215
    • CommentTimeDec 11th 2007
     

    Incredibly stupid call to see the flop with that low of a stack and 8 6, but can't really blame him for staying in after the flop

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      CommentAuthorFOUR ASES
    • CommentTimeDec 11th 2007
     

    Maybe I did play the AA bad. But I think there are Donks who call any hand if they think they could win. So with that being said, I think this donk would have called anything with his 6,8 suited. Even if I would have raised higher preflop.

    I watched the table after this hand and he was calling every hand for 5 hands with junk hands. I left after that.

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      CommentAuthorFOUR ASES
    • CommentTimeDec 11th 2007
     

    I can't explain how I feel about your reply, so I'll give you a picture I found for you. Thats best describe how I feel towards you.

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    Um...you wrote a post over that hand.....and you lost like 4 bucks?

    Ya gotta be kidding.

    I lost AA to KQ and KJ all in preflop to runner runner K K and itw as for more than 4 bucks and I still didnt post here.

    LOL

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    You can't control how other people play. You can only control how you play. And you don't play very well. You would probably be doing yourself a favor cashing out all of your money and investing it into lottery tickets.

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    Please tell me this is a joke post ????

    Seriously.. wow.

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      CommentAuthorHuJwang
    • CommentTimeDec 15th 2007
     

    Raise more... you minsraised the first time then just called the 2nd time...? Raise it more!!

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      CommentAuthorHuJwang
    • CommentTimeDec 15th 2007
     

    bro, you played that hand really really bad

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      CommentAuthordrtre1987
    • CommentTimeDec 15th 2007
     

    +2

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      CommentAuthorNotunjeff
    • CommentTimeDec 15th 2007
     

    Dealt to FOUR ASES [Ad Ac]

    FOUR ASES raises to $0.20

    You dont want to be minraising AA, that gives odds for others to limp in with drawing hands. PF i would raise to at least $.4, seeing as there is already a limper in the pot.

    After the first all in on the flop, I'm shoving to isolate. As good as it looks for you, 68hh is only a 2-1 dog at that point. He limped in, hit a draw and it paid off. Don't price him in with strong hands and you wont have to worry about it as much

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      CommentAuthorcoljung
    • CommentTimeDec 15th 2007
     

    Stop blaming FT.

    Stop slow playing AA or KK, it rarely pays off. Raise raise raise !!!

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