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No Limit/Pot Limit Strategy Discussion: How to play a set with a flush board?

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      CommentAuthordonnyz89
    • CommentTimeFeb 15th 2007
     

    I raised in dealer position with 88.

    3 callers into the flop.

    flop comes out Q28, 2 diamonds...

    everyone checks to me, I bet about 1/2 pot, everyone folds.

    is this a situation where I want to give a freecard? even with a flush draw on the board? or bet lower? I mean, I am the raise, in position, I'm expected to bet with a somewhat weak board.

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      CommentAuthorev1lg3n1us
    • CommentTimeFeb 15th 2007
     

    I bet out when i flop a set like 90% of the time, especially in a raised pot if an Ace hits the board.

    Sometimes if its a raised pot and It comes like 10 high or J high I might go for the check raise because if you bet into him and he has a hand like AK he might just throw it away, but if he has a hand like KK then he might re raise and you can felt him.

    I recommend always betting/raising right away with your sets. You just have to hope someone has a decent hand or draw that they are willing to play back at you with.

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    u did it ok, not everybody have to play the same thing at the same situation, if havent bet maybe somebody have get the flush or the inside str8, in my oppinion ppl have never let a freecard if u have a hand that possible can ne beat, less with so much ppl involve in the hand

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    You did the correct play, a half pot bet was good. This is a situation were you do NOT wanna give a free card. Even if no one had 2 diamonds, a third on the board could give someone a draw (perhaps with the ace) that would've busted you. You got all of the preflop calls, and didn't let anyone suck out on you by giving them horrible odds to call. Even if they had made the call, according to Sklansky, it would still be in your favor, because whenever they call against their odds, you gain. Most likely, a diamond wouldn't have fallen had you checked, and you would have probably bet it then, still winning the pot (again, most likely) so you might as well make suck outs as difficult and unprofitable as possible.

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      CommentAuthordonnyz89
    • CommentTimeFeb 16th 2007
     

    you'd push all in? with a flush draw against a set? i'd call in an instant. you have 9 outs to hit the flush, thats 36% sure... you will lose 2/3 and win 1. you double up once, and lose all your money twice. unless you have ME covered and its in a tournament then i MIGHT fold hoping to find a better chance to get my money in the pot and dont want to gamble even being a 2:1 favorite. but even that, its unlikely i lay it down.

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      CommentAuthorHuJwang
    • CommentTimeFeb 16th 2007
     

    usually the only situations where you want to give a free card is when you have a monster hand that has almost no chance of being outdrawn, but someone else has a good chance of drawing to a big hand that is second best. so if you have a full house, you want people to draw to straights and flushes. but you don't want them to draw to straights and flushes if you only have a set.

    if you don't have a monster, the only times you should consider slowplaying are when all of the following is true:

    a) flop is very uncoordinated (eg K82 rainbow - no possible draws)

    b) there aren't many people in the pot (1 or 2 opponents)

    c) you think you can win more chips by slowplaying

    the last one is the most important. some people habitually risk slowplaying without even thinking about whether it's going to win them more chips. if nobody has anything, you're not going to win any more chips anyway, so you may as well bet now and take the pot before they do outdraw you.

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    This is so true! I would have bet 3/4 to the entire pot to protect my set by pricing out (mathematically at least) the odds for anyone to call and chase that flush draw. This is especially true against the three opponents that you were up against in your situation. If you get any callers, do the same thing on the turn, or even overbet the pot to make them pay dearly for their chasing, and to even try and take it down right there.

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      CommentAuthordxu76
    • CommentTimeFeb 17th 2007
     

    I'm a rookie, but does the other player's chip stack size matter? Or is that tourney strategy only?

    Say the pot is $10, donny bets the pot to chase out flush chasers, the other guy is offerred 2:1 to call. If I'm correct, at the flop you get like 36% hand odds, given that you have 2 diamonds hole cards. So 33% pot odds vs. 36% hand odds, maybe implied odds come to play here?

    I'd push all-in, especially if his chip stack is huge.

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    Like others said it was a good play and prolly could have bet more. When you have a dry board when there isnt much out there as far as drawing hands or hands that could have u beat then slow play. On a board like that with flush possibilites I would bet big an not give the player a chance to catch an if he does he is going to have to pay handily to see those next cards.

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      CommentAuthorKNKA
    • CommentTimeMar 10th 2007
     

    Here, again, its about knowing some players habits. If it is a full table I should be seeing if some excited players are in and expect they make some bet... full table is almost sure someone do something ! (someone with top pair... lower set than yours, maybe higher... ).

    I except these ideas may be useful or questioned

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    You bet 1/2 the pot because you are used to playing people with no CaJones.......You pull that crap with me on a 4 flush draw and I put you all in.......Then its a real game going on.......You either fold like the wuss that you are.......or you show some caJones and call........Chances are you are beat by the river..........Meathead.

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      CommentAuthorUncle_Buz
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2007
     

    Where do you play? I gotta find you! It doesn't take big cajones to call all in with a set of 8's. That re-raise is exactly what I'm looking for when I flop a set! My favorite is when the Flush gets there and also pairs the board. Torture time!

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      CommentAuthordonnyz89
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2007
     

    exactly... Rocco. are you saying, whenever there is a 4 flush possibility on the board of otherwise rags, you would raise all in when a preflop raiser put in a standard continuation bet?? hum...... thats something I never read in books before. and if you had raised all in, I call in a instant.

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      CommentAuthorbnrocks
    • CommentTimeMar 13th 2007
     

    actually, you want to bet more there. somewhere around 2/3 to 3/4 of the pot, so if someone does want to chase their draw, they are getting incorrect odds to call, and you'll make money off them overtime. it sounds like in this scenario no one hit a pair, and didn't have 2 diamonds in the hole.

    it's always better to win a small pot than lose a big one.

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      CommentAuthordonnyz89
    • CommentTimeMar 15th 2007
     

    what if your in the pot with a lot of people and earl position... no one raised before flop, a lot of limpers. should I go ahead and lead or hope for someone bets and raise? but then I might be giving a free card.

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    Good question and good answers!

    Sorry, this is my first time on these boards... didn't expect to find such valuable info (to me, at least).

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    Once again, wisdom for the 5/10 playchip donkey!!

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      CommentAuthorPSTAR-06
    • CommentTimeApr 2nd 2007
     

    I would hv pushed here. So good play.

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    I bet full pot. Only person that calls is someone with top pair. Make them pay for draw.

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How to play a set with a flush board?