General Poker Discussion: ABSOLUTE POKER THE ONLY SITE CHEATING ??

Just wanted to remark on the whole thing going on with absolute poker. Do you think this type of thing is happening on all the poker sites and do you think its been happening for awhile ?? We now all know that there are accounts that let you see the hole cards of others, this is established, wether its a "super account, a ceo account or wutever " thats really besides the point now. The main point is these accounts do exist and they do allow you to see your competitors hole cards and do enable you to make an endless amount of money if going undetected. (which by the way doesnt seem like it would be that hard to do at all )

So with that being said, how many people on each and every site have access to accounts like these ?? Is this type of activity just going on in your big tournements and high stake cash games ? Or is it mabey even manuvering down to the 2/4 1/2 games ? Becuause again remember how easy it would be to use an account like this and never let your competition even begin to imagine you could see the hole cards and play "God" .

What i find interesting in the absolute case is that way before the tourney this guy cheated mutiple high limit players out of tons of cash. He then chip dumped to other accounts and im assumeing did or attempted to withdraw the money. The question is did this guy know he was busted and at the tourney in question, was he so obvious with it to mabey let the people catch him to show that this a problem going on previlent with alot of these sites ?? It is said that he was a former employee and so on. That makes it even scarier that he could STILLLLL get into accounts like these and be able to play "GOD" and manipulate the games.......scary

So I think what it boils down to is that these sites need to step up to prove the integrity of their games. I think that means haveing live support I can call and talk to and have questions anwsered right away. I think it means haveing simple and proven ways people can cash out without long delays and with the only communication being through emails. I think the sites need to make players chat every hour or do something to insure that we are playing real people and not bots who are programed to play flawless poker and not go on tilt. I think this is only scratching the surface of what needs to be done if you expect people to believe they are playing in an authentic poker game.

What happened at absolute is just proof to what people have been saying for a while now. The cheaters are out there and they have the means to cheat. Its on the record now, there are accounts which display everyones hole cards. The real question is, who and how many people have access to these accounts and how often are nieve players getting hussled and cheated out of their money ??Last edited by dave beverly on Fri Oct 19, 2007 1:01 am; edited 1 time in total

I dont agree with you girly pro. Theres been a lot of proof that cheating and scams exist in online poker, yet it is still a growing industry with the popularity of poker growing. The itch to play poker is a demand which companies will exploit. Online poker won't cease in a New York minute as u put it cheating was proven yet it hasn't slowed down at all. I read an article where FTP was aware of a fraudently poker bot user whith multi accounts was caught and was still allowed to continue since his bots were bringing in so much rake. Although this was a complaint made by an FTP affiliate, the fact was FTP knew this one account was cheating, not sure if using bots constitute cheating but definitely not fair to have multi-hands at the table) and was allowed to continued to do so because his bots generated enuff in rake to let him stay. Now Im on the verge of opening a cash account with FTP but with all the horror stories with withdrawals and cheating involve not to mention the ridiculous fees, seriously like 5%? thats huge if i wanted to deposit like 100k, I'm about to turn the opposite direction or just open a small account. Still it doesn't make sense to play a game where you know you are not given a fair shake and for the life of me I don't know why FTP is so secretive about its mailing address, sheesh if I'm to send my hard earned cash to a company who asks all my private information, seems i can't even get a mailing address from them....just too fish and unfair in that respect.

cheating on sites is not NEARLY as common as you are making it out to be. i mean come on seriously...5-10%?! are you crazy?! either that or your math is terrible. either way think about it logically. like girlypro said the absolute cheating scandal was an INSIDE JOB, not just some random computer hacker. the fact that cheating has been proven just happens to be a rarity in rooms. just because it HAS happened, doesnt mean its going on all over undedected.

btw, the grammar in these posts is just as bad if not worse than the math skills being displayed. which just goes to show how much the people making these outlandish posts actually know. you are seriously giving anyone who reads this topic the WRONG impression. be careful posting topics on cheating because you could be scaring potential new players away from the tables with all that talk.

cheating on sites is not NEARLY as common as you are making it out to be. i mean come on seriously...5-10%?! are you crazy?! either that or your math is terrible. either way think about it logically. like girlypro said the absolute cheating scandal was an INSIDE JOB, not just some random computer hacker. the fact that cheating has been proven just happens to be a rarity in rooms. just because it HAS happened, doesnt mean its going on all over undedected.

btw, the grammar in these posts is just as bad if not worse than the math skills being displayed. which just goes to show how much the people making these outlandish posts actually know. you are seriously giving anyone who reads this topic the WRONG impression. be careful posting topics on cheating because you could be scaring potential new players away from the tables with all that talk.

i cant see hole cards...but i do see dead people......

A similar fiasco occurred not too long ago on the Betfair site. However, they quickly owned up to it, and immedietly began refunding players who were adversely affected.

Also, I was told, but I'm not 100% certain, that in the past there was a problem on Party Poker where a computer programmer was able to see the holecards of those who were infected with a trojan virus he transmitted onto a rakeback calculator.

errr,no...its not on the record that there are accountSSSSSSS

Apparently there is one that we know about at Absolute Poker........there has been nothing to indicate that other sites have them.They may all have them,they may not.

We will see Im sure.

Full Tilt wants to earn as much money as possible. Greedy firm. I would not be surprised if they had house players, but they hide it well if they do, they know they will lose a lot of customers if it was known to the public.

I agree with what your sayen. the thing is though money talks. im not talking about every other person haveing access to hole cards. im talking like mabey 5 to ten percent. and these 5 to 10 percent could be cleaning up the games without giveing off no evidence at all.

A possible theory in my book is that whoever got caught, got caught intentionally. To mabey let the cat out the bag for whatever reason.

Again, i dont think everyone one and their mother have access to accounts like these. But what scares me is that a select group does. Im not saying that this is happening on every site. But again, lets remember, its 2007 money talks these sites are regulated by nobody and they answer to nobody..........

p.s. if " 363" was a super account what about 1 through 362 ??

It was not the "SITES" that were cheating,these were single people who were doing this>The sites themselves do try to police this and make restitutions when possible.They make money on every hand dealt,why in the world would they want to cheat?

Blameing the sites here would like blaming a casino for a single person caught cheating.

Come on people. Just look at the odds and the cards that are being dealt. as well as other sites just don't have the technology or just refuse to use ligitmate technology for random number generators. Track your hands and you will find no similarity to real or real hands.