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      CommentAuthorjspring
    • CommentTimeAug 17th 2006
     

    Are there any out there worth buying? I'm just starting to try and really improve my game, so anything will be helpful for me. Thanks.

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      CommentAuthormuktuk2
    • CommentTimeAug 18th 2006
     

    I vote for High low split poker by Ray Zee. As mentioned, a very good compact view on basic and advanced strategy. Also worth reading is the chapter in SS1 (didn't really feel much for the writing style of Todd Brunson in SS2).

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      CommentAuthortheharm17
    • CommentTimeAug 18th 2006
     

    I'm new to the game, but what is the difference between stud hi/lo split and stud 8? I thought they were the same.

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      CommentAuthorcompncards
    • CommentTimeSep 4th 2006
     

    If your relying on Helmuths book for the basics, good luck with that. I read it and there are several things I disagree on. The Ray Zee book is a MUCH better book. Todd Brunson has a pretty good section as well.

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    theharm, on this site, there is no difference.

    At some casinos, however (and perhaps other sites) you can find split games with no requirement for low. In such a case A2234 could win low, if everyone else could not make five cards with less than a pair of twos. This game is different in many ways, but primarily because there is always a low half of the pot. That means there should be a lot less folding of busted low draws, for example. However, given the overall similarity, I'll bet Sklansky's section in SS1 would be worth the read.

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    slightly different...

    in stud/8, a low has 2 QUALIFY by 5 of the 7 cards being unpaired,

    and 8 or lower

    split does not have this qualifier, u can have A2349 or 9TJQK

    and it could still be a low

    the high hands still play the same

    spike

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    Either Sklansky or Zee (I forget which) recommends reading Stud for Advanced Players first before reading the stud8 section of the hi/lo book. But yeah, Hellmuth's hi/lo section in PPLTP is great for beginners. That's where I'd start.

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      CommentAuthordrcossack
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2007
     

    There's a Stud 8 section in the original? I know Chip covers Stud High, but don't remember Stud 8.

    I'll have to go with SS2 as well. It's a good starting point, though I mainly learned the game through just playing it.

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    High Low Split Poker For Advanced Players is truly advanced. Read Hellmuth's book for the basics, then SS2, then the one I mentioned.

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      CommentAuthorbyamamoto1
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2007
     

    i think there's a 2+2 book out there on stud h/lo and omaha h/l, but the only book i've read so far is SS2. it gives you good basics, and what starting hands to play.

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      CommentAuthorlongclaw
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2007
     

    Yeah, Hellmuth for beginers, and Brunson after that. I haven't picked up the Zee book yet so I can't comment on it.

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      CommentAuthorbeavis68
    • CommentTimeJan 22nd 2007
     

    Play poker like the pros is good for the basics. If you didnt agree with it, that is becaues you were probably beyond the basics.

    Hellmuths book followed by SS2 will do you good and you can probably find both at a library.

    The different between S8b and Stud Hi/Lo

    S8b (also called stud hi/lo) a hand has to be 8 or better to qualify for the low

    Stud hi/lo split (also called Stud hi/lo split no qualifier) there is no qualifier for the low.

    QJT98 beats KQJT9 for a low.

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      CommentAuthorflafishy
    • CommentTimeJan 31st 2007
     

    I haven't read Hellmuth's book, but I think Todd Brunson's section on Stud/8 in Super System 2 is a great starting point.

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    No, no no no no no no no no.

    Sklansky writes a stud Hi/Lo split section, not stud 8. Two different games.

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    Very good post. Against weak players especially, you're rarely going to put them on their exact hand, and a lot of the time you will be totally wrong. That's why it's very important to stick to the basics.

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      CommentAuthormuktuk2
    • CommentTimeMar 5th 2007
     

    my bad... You are right. Still, much of the principals discussed there are somewhat transferable to eight or better imo

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    supersystem

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      CommentAuthorVogelB5
    • CommentTimeApr 25th 2007
     

    Todd Brunsons section in SS2

    Ray Zee split pot games is also good

    Probably the best two in my opinion.