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CommentAuthormathman1115
- CommentTimeJul 30th 2006
Well i've never actually seen the video, but i can still comment on the strategy. I'm assuming the strategy is only enter a pot preflop by raising.
In general, i think it is a great strategy. If your hand is good enough to call the bb from whatever position, then you should be raising. However, this strategy will only work against players that understand and can play limit holdem. This is a good strategy at the middle and high limits.
On the other hand, this is not a good strategy when playing low limit holdem. In LLHE, you want to see cheap flops to try and hit good hands that have a high chance of holding up by the river. When you raise in LLHE, you typically get at least 3 or 4 callers, so even just hitting top pair is usually not good enough. Players call with gutshots, bottom pair, low pp, completely disregarding what you may have.
Now this doesn't mean you never raise at the low levels, but the raise itself will be much more effective at mid and high levels.
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CommentAuthorXNoLimitPlayaX
- CommentTimeJul 30th 2006
Thanks for the feedback...
In regards to limpers in the pot - Lederer basically advises to still look to raise, due to the fact that their holdings generally will not be as strong as your raising hand. However, he does advise that with limpers you should sometimes fold a hand that you may have raised.
Like most people have pointed out though...it usually just depends on the table as to which strategy is optimal.
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CommentAuthordeadmoney314
- CommentTimeJul 31st 2006
I think there is some confusion here on whether he is talking about always opening for a raise rather than raising a field of limpers. It sounds like BNS has seen Howard's vid and he is actually saying, if you are first in, don't limp... raise. Not many problems with that except when you are against alert and perceptive opponents. If you are, they will begin to counter those raises with isolation plays that will work if they have position. This will rarely be the case in a loose game that you are discribing so raise away (you may not get the chance though as BNS said).
On the other hand, don't focus too much on preflop strategies, just go with one that isn't completely insane and focus more on your post flop play. It doesn't do you any good to have the best preflop strats and get murdered on the turn.
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CommentAuthorBOYNAMEDSUE
- CommentTimeJul 31st 2006
I think it works fairly well at the lower limits, if you can implement it. Often you can't because one or more opponents in front of you have already limped. Now raising with B, C or D hands doesn't make sense.
It also depends on the table. I played a $1/2 table today on Absolute where Howard's pre-flop limit strategy worked beautifully. Then I played a table tonight on FTP, the same limit, and I rarely opened a pot because of all the limping.
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CommentAuthorTedyKGB17
- CommentTimeAug 4th 2006
I think mathman is right on here.
and just 2 add my 2 cents...
the only thing raising preflop in LLHE does in build ur pot. In the higher limits, it is used 2 build the pot and/or eliminate the field. but as mathman said lower limit players are gunna come along for the ride.
i only like 2 raise preflop in LLHE with top 10 hands, and hope 2 hit the flop big. if i don't get much help, i'm either gunna slow down or let it go.
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CommentAuthorBig Slick x13x
- CommentTimeAug 4th 2006
exactly Pokit. The only hands I really raise with in LLHE is 99+, AQ, AK. There is a variety of hands I'll call a raise with suited connectors, any pair depending on situation and players at my table.
I look at the LLHE games as a 10/4 game. Either you win $4 or lose $10. That's why I generally stick to SNG and NL.
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CommentAuthorPokit2s
- CommentTimeAug 7th 2006
I definately think you need to have the limp play in your bag if you play the loose more passive lower limit tables. And yes, even first to enter the pot sometimes. If I'm sitting UTG with 44, and my table is averaging like 5 or 6 limpers per hand, you better believe I am limping from there.
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