Fixed Limit Strategy Discussion: HOW UNSKILLED ARE LIMIT PLAYERS?

At least at the Play Money tables, I have never seen more unskilled idiots who just go all-in on anything and pray. It's like playing slot machines - throw down your stack and spin the wheel. 3-4 guys with anything from pocket 5's to 7-2 offsuit almost every freakin hand. I don't know how many times I've seen pocket Aces or Kings busted by a guy going all-in with 5-3 offsuit and hitting two pairs. Talk about zero skill and all blind-luck. Maybe in the money tournaments skill at betting and bluffing really comes into the picture. But for trying to practice at play money tables - they're pretty much worthless.

I think Pot Limit is the best of the variants. You don't get the all-in idiots pre-flop, but you can manipulate pot odds after a round or two of betting to dissuade someone on a backdoor draw from going further (at least down to 2:1 odds). It's a very skilled compromise IMO.

And while in Limit Hold'Em, you can draw at a cheap price if you have a draw. At the money tables players generally fold if they don't have a draw rather than throw money away. If at least two players with good hands get into a bit of re-raising it can be pretty expensive to chase a gutshot. Bluffing is harder of course, since anyone with a decent draw is going to take it to the river. Not your cup of tea? Don't play then!

Yet you seem to run into problems and pay off players. Does this mean you're dumber than a monkey?

I think to be a long-term winner takes more skill in LHE than NL/PLHE, since you can get lucky here and there and drag big pots to make up for your bad chases in NL/PL, but every bet you lose in LHE is one that you have to outplay someone for later.

[we now return to your regularly scheduled trolling]

While I agree that most people who play limit, especially limit HE have no idea how to adjust, there are some people who are quite good and can take advantage of these weaknesses. It is very frustrating though to have someone chase a 3-outer because of "pot odds", but you can win in the long run off of them. Plus, you say anyone that plays limit as their main game is unskilled, I think that's a bit harsh. What about the stud or razz players? What about those who play limit omaha? Or, what about horse? Limit takes a entirely different skill to play then no limit, and if you're going to play it, you need to be able to adjust between games.

If limit players are so unskilled, then why complain about it?!!!! Why not just take their money? I would complain about skilled players way before I start complaining about unskilled ones. Because, the skilled players take my money, not the unskilled ones. Now don't get me wrong, there are many unskilled players in limit, but there just as many in nolimit.

If you can make it to the real money tables, you're welcome at mine any time. Hell I'd probably even play you for fun if you want to ask an admin to set up a match.

lol. but on a serious note i just started playing cash tables doing stakes 50-1 and 1-2 is there more money to be made from limit or no-limit in your opinion?

Many people seem to forget, or never knew, that no limit has only become popular in the last few years with the TV generation.

Many players who have made a good portion of thier income for years with poker are strictly limit players.

I can verify that he'll call a pot sized turn bet w/a bare A2 and no high draw in PLO8. Chase confirmed for PLO8.

well dude you came and talked **** got called out and then talked more **** and disappeared.

You know what this sounds like to me?? BULLSH**!!! Stinking little troll go back to hole you crawled out of. Or you ever want to put your money were your mouth is I can be found at lostcoastpoker.com

LostCoastPoker on both AIM and MySpace Im's as well. Bring it Punk.

and now like I feel that i have asserted some sort of manly position on the subject I think Ill leave this one alone.

But I do see how i was the only comment this littel puke responded to.

-roxx

dude, please tell me you finished kindergarden at least. cuz its painfully obvious you didnt finish first grade, at least not on a level.

You really think LIMIT is more skillful to play/master than no limit?????? OMG from where do these tools crawl out from under?

Limit is very very unskilled, you sit and wait for cards, occasionally betting people out that miss draws and check raising the turn (not the flop) to maximize your profit. thats it. a monkey can play it and win.

No limit has no boundaries as far as the tools needed to win most of the time. there are no books on how to go from a NL to a Limit player, but theres plenty written about leaving the grade school tables of limit and jumping into NL. No wonder limit players, who are sitting there in coma at cardrooms, dumnb as monkeys, never win at NL. very very few can. You fish kill me with your dreams of grandure and skilll LOLOLOLOLOLOL

blah blah blah blah.....putrid spineless limit playing jellyfish with inane comebacks for the insipid and inane games they play. Cardchasing fish who, for the most part of them, just raise the cap with anything in hopes of hitting or making the others fold. no skill. only the non thinking automatons who cant handle the skill of NL sit and play 'cards' at limit tables. the limit tables should be called 'zones of idiocy, lay and pry, win a pot by a miracle of chance'. usually they are old dried turds who, since they cant take chances or use skill at the tables with any degree of success, live their lives the same way and own one car, one house, if that, as most are 'renters' who never knew the triumph of victory beyond what the cards send thier way. now lil circus animals, jump through my flaming hoops of humility , jump jump jump

seeing as youve never sat at any tables with hasan< what would you know about him. tool? if him urinating on youself turns you on, that might explain the reason your mom, sister and 'so called' girl friend all come to my house for some real loving and 'g spot hitting' action. (that mom, wow, she can really take some pounding!!!!!!!!

stick to cartoons, stay away from electrical outlets and anything sharper than a bowling ball, you inferior pissant. I pwn beeotchs like you all day long

I disagree, I think that the ability to go all in and take away post flop play and allowing any donk to get lucky takes all the skill out of the game. I will play limit cash games til the day I die. Any time I need to build my bankroll I just hit the limit tables. It's a pleasure to play.. Esp on FT where the competition is good.

I agree to disagree.....Limit is just a way to slow down all the huge bets that are in no limit...

i just scratched my shaved balls. and.......?

You're a disgrace to Hasan Habib. He urinates on you.

LIMIT is the most skillfull play.

All that was said is true you have 3 limmited options each step but

a skilled player will always win whaen there is more then 100 flops on a 1 to 1 game.

HU4ROLLZ!

Is it just me, or is xhasanhabib just trolling these forums for attention? All of his posts seem to be condescending "I'm better than you" kinds of attention grabs. Frankly, I'm done with him. Welcome to ignore.

35 posts.

priceless.

THAT IS HOW I FEEL TOO. I KEPT RAN TO AN BIG STONE WHICH MEAN THESE PLAYERS ARE SO SO SO SO BAD. THEY JUST PLAY AS BAD AS THEY CAN. THEY PLAY ANY CARDS NO MATHER WHAT HAPPENS AND IT SEEMS LIKE THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THEIR MONEY. I DON'T KNOW MAYBE BECAUSE I WAS RUNNING BADS. WELL I GUESS GOOD LUCK TO YOU AND ME AS WELL.