I've played NL/PL Texas Hold'em for over three years at $1/2 levels and have been turned on to Fixed limit by friends saying its more consistent than NL. Well I have had some luck with FL, but nothing I could call a profit. I'm looking for good FL books to help me with my play (I have read both FL pieces in Super System I & II). Any help would be most appreciated.
This book is describing mainly how to make different plays. It assumes you already have a solid poker game and good feel at the table. If you have a good foundation this is the BEST book to create a huge playbook. If you don't yet have the solid foundation, than read a more simple book (like Hellmuth) before this; don't just dive into this book.
Yes and no... I think the problem is that if you never vary your play, never bluff, always play the same hands in the same positions, and play certain hands the exact same and always fold to a slightly missed flop, you are going to get taken advantage of by BETTER PLAYERS. This is key, in my view... if you are playing awful players who will call with anything, and dont pay any attention to your strategy, then playing a Lee Jones solid strategy will win the money.
But take the following situation... You have JJ, raise pre-flop, and get 2 callers. Flop is Q57. Lee Jones advises in his book to fold pocket pairs if there are overcards... playing this ultra-tight can be wrong in this situation I believe... in this exact situation I got bluffed badly by both other callers. Turns out one had a A5 and the other was on a draw.
All I'm saying is that his book is one dimensional... its a nice starting point for solid play but its only a beginners book and should be treated as such.
Wahooka
Hold'em Poker for Advanced Players by Sklansky and Malmuth is the best Limit Hold'em book I've read.
I agree that this is a great book for limit play. Also, it is now in it's 3rd edition, which has changes in content and strategy.
And while Phil Gordon's Little Green Book is a good read and reference, it is geared toward No Limit play, not Limt.
While I agree that theory of poker is probably the best general poker book out there, it does not focus on hold em specifically the way the books I recomended above do. I think that's an important fact to consider.
I agree with a previous poster that Phil Hellmuth's book is good for limit players. It teaches an ultra tight strategy with some insight into make a few moves, such as stealing the blinds.
I think the best book on this topis is Winning Low Limit Hold'em by Lee Jones, 2nd addition.
It goes over most of the material presented in other books, but it gives you analysis of playing a hand from pre-flop to the showdown.
i like theory of poker but it is complicated through the first read but everything starts to make sense after a while. it brought a lot of new concepts i hadn't implied in my game before i read the book... like i didn't ever consider future people to act when figuring out pot odds... it helped my limit game a lot
for online play though u should pick up caros book of tells... it really helps the online play
I think we actually agree for the most part...Jones' book assumes that the majority of folks at your table are going to be worse than you and that at the low/micro limits you don't need to worry to a large extent about being taken advantage of by better players...they are all off playing bigger games.
What you do need to do is develop solid ABC (beginner) poker so that you are in a position to learn more advanced poker. Something like Advanced Holdem is going to lead to really poor play if you haven't mastered the fundamentals.
you are going to get taken advantage of by BETTER PLAYERS. This is key, in my view... if you are playing awful players who will call with anything, and dont pay any attention to your strategy, then playing a Lee Jones solid strategy will win the money.
Good poker players are rare, and their paths seldom cross,In the the rare event that two good players are in the same game, their effective control is diluted and their edge odds are reduced by each other. I dont move up to higher limits cause I dont have a big ego, I play in lower limit where the players are un disciplined, over aggressive, and play by impluse. so I can follow my disicipline and bank easy many with small bankroll and nobody will ever know who I is.
Small Stakes Hold 'Em (winning big with expert play) by sklansky, miller, and malmuth, and Hold 'em Poker for advanced players by sklansky and malmuth. Good luck.
+1
you wanna know about fixed limit then this is your book
I thought the whole purpose of the book was to get players to expand their starting hands to include more suited connectors, Axs, hands that win big pots in low limit holdem, and rely less on big pairs, which don't do as well.
In my opinion, all discussions about poker books should start with 'Theory of Poker' by Skalansky. The other 2+2 books are also good but most everything is is just paraphrasing the same material. The only other material that has stuck out to me were Bobby Baldwin's chapters in both SSI & SSII. Ive read each of them multiple times, trying to adopt a different perspective each read. 1) How should I play. 2) How do I put my opponents on hands. I'd read anything I can get from him.
'Winning Low Limit Holdem' by Lee Jones is a great book for beginners.
A nit: Miller, Sklansky, and Malmuth. Otherwise right on.
Since the OP has been playing a while Jones' Winning Low Limit Holdem is probably too basic, but others reading this thread might find it useful.
Generally speaking the advice in SuperSystem doesn't become useful until you start hitting higher limit games because it assumes that opponents are playing much more carefully than you find at micro/small limits.
I don't mean to imply that Harman's chapter isn't great, and maybe it is useful to folks at the microlimits, but I would be surprised if it did. On the other hand, if I ever make it to the 10/20 tables, I'll be reading it for sure.
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned Super System 2. Yes it has a good section about NL hold em by Brunson but it also has an excellent Limit Hold em section by one of the greatest limit players in the world; Jennifer Harman. She does play in the highest stakes cash games in Las Vegas so I think she knows a thing or two about poker.
i was just at a table and someone bet like the size of the pot on the river and then they go... Pressed the wrong button... please don't call. that is an online tell if i have ever seen one.
I agree with that completely.
Ace on the River is a good book, but more of an advanced tutorial by Barry Greenstein.
Yes, pay very careful attention to how the mouse is clicked... very important... did his finger shake while left clicking? That is almost
always a sign of strength...
Hellmuth's Win like the pros is mostly Limit hold 'em, and tended more to the beginner's side, but considering low-level Fixed on-line, it's a good read.