Feedback and Feature Requests: Full Tilt Software is extremely flawed, serious post

I would first like to say, I am NO donk or fish when it comes to poker. I have been playing professional poker for 15 years now, played with every well known name and played all stakes from mid level to the highest games.

I have even won tens of thousands of dollars on this site as well, however, what I have to say has serious merit and i would like feedback as well as hopefully the programmers of this site to seriously read my post.

I understand the deviation theory and statistical probability of what wins and loses and how you will encounter swings no matter how well you play.

however, over the last few weeks, I myself went on a 4,000 dollar loss that yes took about 15 different tables to occur as I dropped limits to hopefully reduce the losses til it turned around.

I have had my days where it went well and then it gets cold, however, i did a study not only my horrible streak this week but i analyzed hands on all tables i played and even games i viewed.

92% of hands that were favorites LOST to the underdog hands.

70% of hands that were favorites on turn lost to extremely low probability river catches. These are not suckouts as they do happen, part of poker but over 70% of the hands I was involved with PLUS hands i perviewed and wrote down caught.

Final stat which is the most scary, when it was pair versus pair, over 80% of the smaller pair won.

These stats are not made up just to prove a point but I am damn sure software can be programmed especially when it comes to gambling where they can ensure certain probabilities to win.

I am not paranoid at this as I play in all the big games at bellagio, commerce casino and do experiences my swings as well there but not even close to the extremes on this site.

I play hundreds of hours here a month as i quality for the iron man free roll every month and have cashed out more money than probably 90% of the players here so for me to write this should be taken serious and looked at.

This post was not written out of disgust for a bad week, we all have those but it was the first time i actually wrote down hand after hand quickly as i was playing them as well and gathered stats and this was all info i thought of over the last year here but to see it on paper opened my eyes that this software is flawed in how the turn card and river cards are produced.

I have read posts about how it is even more randomized than decks in casino's but i have the HARDEST time believing that as i have never in 15 years of playing poker for a living seen such under dog hands win hand after hand after hand at the level of 92% underdog.

It would be interesting to see feedback from other players not to hear your feedback but more importantly, for the programmers off this site to seriously look into their data and possibly see if their was any flaw in the programming of their outcome producing software.

I am not saying that the best hand should always win, hell I have even won a 2 outer here and there but when it gets to the point of over 90% of hands over the stretch of a few weeks and I am not referring just to hands i was involved with. I took these notes on several tables at once just to see if i was being overly paranoid or just on tilt and i was not wrong.

I prefer playing online poker as it is faster and i have more game selection but with the shutdown of other sites and yes full tilt is my favorite site, i am now starting to wonder of my committment here as why continually play poker at a site where you almost know no matter how great you play, how smart your choices are, your statistically most likely going to get oudrawn, not smart business anymore.

good day

I have only read the first 12 replies so forgive if already stated.

I'm a software development engineer writing computer software for the past 12 years and I can assure you randomizers aren't realy random.

Thats due to the fact that any ranomizer has to be "seeded" with an intitial integer which usually is taken form the pc's or the servers current time value. Thus the "seed" can be the same many times,...but only VERY RARELY many time in a row.

They are as random as they possibly could be to pass a validation check with the authorities before the software is allowed to be released online.

californiachamp,.. you are correct in your data collection and it is true that online poker has a much higher percentage for the underdog to win than in real life poker.

But thats not because the software is broken or "cheating" algorithms have been included (unless proven otherwise - as sites have been closed down in the past for "cheating" with algorithms).

It is inheritly natural for software that uses random values to be repetative,.. nothing one can do about it,..that why you just have to live with the stats and play poker in a real casino for actual value. Only play online for entertainment.

Anyway, to let you know, to post your "concerns" here just causes a lot of "lost children of the world" to reply with absolute useless crap.

This might be my first post in this forum,...as I usually don't bother asking the "forum pro's" with a mental age of 5 for help, but I can surely agree to your comments about the so called forum pros.

All you get is cheap childish schoolyard crap,..not worth my or your effort in trying to be serious.

If you have a concern, just contact Full Tilt by email directly.

As I just have to believe that Full Tilt employes are adults and don't give you some childish slag.

And "forum pro" kids,..don't bother replying with some insulting, imature querk about being a retard or some other "well educated" response as frankly I couldn't be arzed replying to you.

There you go "Forum pros", you can have the last word to make you feel good. 8)

QUOTE from IABoomer

I'm done arguing with you. You have no proof of your theory. You're condescending and insulting. If Perry Friedman and Chris Ferguson posted the actual code here, you'd claim that they showed you a non-rigged code sample to silence you, but still run the "official" rigged code on the servers. No matter how much evidence is presented, you'll stubbornly hold on to your misguided thoughts, so responding to you is an exercise in futility.

I bid you good day and hope that you haven't passed on your flawed genes to offspring. End of IABoomer rant uhh quote

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Funny, once presented with his own reference that actually

proves that TRNG has flaws and is predictable, IABoomer, and

the poker pros, who have been calling people crackpots, UFO theorists

and overall bad beat whiners for days,.....get disproved and shown the errors of their ways including using the RTNG reference of IABoomer related to Wikipedia and random number generators. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRNG,

the poker pros and IABoomer

cry foul and whine to stop the disrespect AFTER they use the disrespect toward those that choose to disagree.

Now the poker pros and IABoomer have been logically shown by at least one of their own sources of reference that

TRNG does have inherent flaws....hence a clock to limit some of the

predictability but PATTERNS DO HAPPEN AND EXIST AT FT.

Ever see the run of J's or K's or whatever the card is for the night

or the run of diamonds or clubs on a particular session of poker in a

tourney? Sure you have or you are hiding under your momma's skirt

by denying it. You play within the limits of the software and EXPECT

that situation [FLAW] to be a possibility.

Yawn!

NO WAY!...there is actually someone here that will admit how ridiculous the software here is!!! My mistake in trying to convey this was to use the word FT is FRAUD in my titled blog. You have described exactly what Ive been seeing ever since I started playing here about 2+ years ago. Not long after, I quit depositing money anymore and I only play in FREEROLLS. In the blog I started I mentioned some of the things you mention here and I got attacked and called all kinds of names, but after reading yours I am comforted in knowing I wasn't imagining it.

Have you noticed how many quads and straight flushes the site also produces? The thing about going heads up with pocket pairs and the lower pair wins 80% of the time is more like 90% when I have the higher pair. Read my most recent posts in "FT is Fraud...it's in the feedback area like yours...checkout all the badbeats and how they were beat that i posted.

Unlike most, I think the software is NOT flawed, but made this way to create DRAMA. If you start jotting more down, you'll see that practically EVERY hand has way too much DRAMA and FT does this by programming the software to create this with the cards not yet dealt...I mean seriously, how hard could it be for the server to track the cards left after dealing 20+ cards and using the cards that are left to make the crazy badbeats/suckouts!...oh, and what is it with SLOW playing to trap at FT? Software does NOT allow for it. I have almost NEVER won a hand if I slow played it and trapped, no matter what mine or the other players cards are. ALMOST NEVER! Reason I say almost is it's been so long since I remember winning a slow play trap. I'm talking sets, boats and even once lost with quads cause I slow played them (LIKE YOUR SUPPOSED TO!!!!)

Almost forgot. Have you ever noticed how often the case card comes on the flop? Even more so on the river? Oh, and howbout the A vs A and the lower kickered A wins with the same 80%+ of the time?

I have played on this site for about a year. I play some small money games and tourneys. Here is what I have noticed.

Flushes do hit often

Straights hit more often then flushes

Other then that it has been pretty normal poker play, UNTIL

Just recently I have been hitting the Poker after Dark freerolls.

I have never in my life seen so many full houses and quads made.

The underdog does win post flop more then 75% of the time.

Not to say the underdog doesnt have a decent chance of winning on a showdown with a flush draw straight draw or a smaller pair or two pair.

My theory is that they promote bad play to keep good players from getting into these tourneys for cheap. They want you to play money games, period.

As far as a generator goes, I know that anything is possible with a computer. You can get it to do anything you want, so dont play down the conspiracy theories, or the fact that you CAN duplicate live play on a computer. IT can be done. It all has to do with the shuffle of the deck after the cards have been played and how they end up in the deck.

The cards should be set once the cards have been shuffled. It is then up to the play of the players as to who should win. It should not be what the computer decides to throw out after the bets have been made.

This is how it works in real cards. The cards are not RANDOM. They are set once they have been shuffled and/ or cut.

And yes you can get the computer to throw the underdog the bone a certain percentage of the time.

The biggest thing i hate about puter poker is the fact I cant read your face or pick up on your tells.

The only thing a computer generated poker game can teach you is good hand choice and betting against certain types of players ,if you are beyond that, it can only teach you bad habits.

I have caught myself doing things I shouldnt after playing on the computer.

Hope this helps some

Nobody DISPUTES THE RAKE... The algorithm adds or increases the ODDS that the house will max out on the Rake as much as possible as opposed to not getting a higher % of maxed out rakes. You guys are comical...

Go to your Buds site he references

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRNG

This adds to your insanity of posting over and over the same thing and

expecting everyone to agree with you. Namely that poker sites that use a

"random" number generator are TRULY random and UNBIASED.

You guys do have a knack for snipping and clipping only what you can

explain in your simplified world.

READ THIS PLEASE ,,,, read it 2x if you are that impaired.

It is right from one of your own kind...

Go to your Buds site. He made the references

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRNG

Hardware random number generators are often relatively slow, and they may produce a biased sequence (i.e., some values are more common than others). Whether a hardware random number generator is suitable for a particular application depends on the details of both the application and the generator.

Most computer "random number generators" are not hardware devices, but are software routines implementing generator algorithms. They are often supplied as library routines in programming language implementations, or as part of the operating system. These are more properly called pseudo-random number generators, since, being finite state machines, they cannot produce truly random outputs. Within that limitation, some produce sequences which pass one or several statistical pattern tests for randomness, and may be useful in many circumstances. Several common ones are very poor, not only failing to pass many of the relevant statistical tests, but also being readily, even trivially, predictable

The sequences such generators produce always have patterns, in one sense, since the algorithm that generates them has a finite state, and must, eventually, repeat one of those states. Given the original state of the generator, and the implementation of the algorithm, a pseudo-random number generator of this sort is totally predictable. Given even partial knowledge of that state, they are often insecure for many purposes.

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Hence, a clock is used on poker sites. I know you UN rigged guys think the clocks main use is to speed up the game. Obviously High chipped stallers would prevail if the clock did not exist BUT

Reality, is it is NEEDED so I can't sit here with my own random number generator and calculate better odds on the sequence of cards that most likely will appear.

SWOOOOOOSH... right over your foil hats... sorry.

Put some antennae on your tin hats while you are at it. Maybe you can tune in some realistic viewpoints that make actual sense.

Show me the algorithm the site uses to weigh the cards when it reads one from the deck. You're convinced that they manipulate the deck, yet you've shown no code to back that up.

First, poker (Holdem, Omaha, Stud, etc.) aren't played against the house, so there's no house edge to the game. The house takes a rake to facilitate the playing of the game, but the house really doesn't care which player wins a pot. Nice strawman, but you're terribly misinformed about how sites and casinos make money in regards to poker.

Again, I ask you where you come to the conclusion that the site weighs the card values when selecting one from the deck. You continue to push this theory, but have no proof of it.

Yeah, I'm a programmer for Full Tilt and thus have access to all their software. Again, since you're the one who thinks things aren't right, it's up to you to prove your point. So, you show us the code, especially since you keep going on and on about weighing values.

If someone were to shuffle the deck during a hand, it wouldn't affect the odds of making your hand. There are still the same number of known and unknown cards to you. Surely you're not arguing that the mere act of shuffling favors one player over another?

As I've stated before, the house has no edge in poker games. They get their rake regardless of who wins the hand. Therefore, your argument is flawed. This doesn't bode well for your claim of being "Most of us who are not mathematically challenged and truly have common sense".

Once again, you start ranting about weighting, but haven't posted a single line of code to substantiate that claim. Short of having a field of dealers working at Full Tilt shuffling decks and keying cards into the software, you're not going to get away from an algorithm.

Also, algorithm doesn't have to be a dirty word.

Nothing about that seems to imply a predictable outcome.

Here's an algorithm to deal a random poker hand:

Step 1: Collect random number from hardware-based truly random generator.

Step 2: Select random card from deck using number collected in step 1.

Step 3: Display selected card to program.

Step 4: Repeat for each card needed.

This would be a dealing algorithm, yet because of the hardware random number generator, it would generate random, unweighted, unpredictable results.

I'm done arguing with you. You have no proof of your theory. You're condescending and insulting. If Perry Friedman and Chris Ferguson posted the actual code here, you'd claim that they showed you a non-rigged code sample to silence you, but still run the "official" rigged code on the servers. No matter how much evidence is presented, you'll stubbornly hold on to your misguided thoughts, so responding to you is an exercise in futility.

I bid you good day and hope that you haven't passed on your flawed genes to offspring.

Look at things logically...

On a $1.00/$2.00 ring game, makes approximately $1.50 on average per hand... a hand takes approximately 3 minutes to complete on here, that is 480 hand per day on one table, which means an average rake of around $720 per table at this level every day.

has roughly about 30 tables at this level going all day every day, which means at this stake alone are making $21,600 per day on average.

Why would want to risk all that just to rig the software just for a few extra $$ in the pockets per day.

Also, another thing you should think about is, why would allow tracking software such as Office and Tracker to be used on there room if it was rigged, because with these types of software you can instantly see if things arn't right.

James

Full Tilt Poker is licensed by the Kahnawake Gaming Commission.

© Copyright 2004 - 2007 FullTiltPoker.com. All Rights Reserved

That's at the bottom of the front page on the home site. Here is the homepage to the commission's website: http://www.kahnawake.com/gamingcommission/

EDIT: Wanted to add one other thing for the conspiracy theorists participating in this thread...

(only skimmed through this thread, so this point may have already been brought up)

Have you guys ever considered that too many reputations were on the line to rig Full Tilt? Just think about it; Full Tilt Poker is represented by 52 professional poker players, some of whom have endorsement deals outside of Full Tilt. Those players make A LOT of money from endorsements, too much to risk rigging the online site that has their face all over it.

Another point is that, if the pros really did want to rig FTP, they would not only have to share the dirty money amongst the technicians, support, and any other general staff, but they'd also have to share the profits between themselves -FIFTY TWO additional people. Rigging the site wouldn't generate nearly enough revenue to outweigh the risks (tarnished reputations, lost friendships, loss of outside endorsement deals). Make any sense?

I kept stats for about 6 months on underdog river wins. Then I got a job and did not have the time. So that it was not all about me, I just tracked other people a majority of the time. There were patterns. I think one of the things in quantum physics is the closer you get to the particle, the further away it is. So randomness also comes in patterns. Flowers and snowflakes are the most obvious examples. The most common pattern was when there was an all in on the flop between 2 players, the underdog would win by the river about 80% of the time. Again, I was documenting other players. I would take screen shots of the hand history because there are not any good poker trackers for Macs that I know of while I was doing this. I played morning to night for 6 months. I play the software as much as the players because of other patterns as well. I donʻt care if they fix it or not. I am just saying that I paid attention and noticed some patterns.

Buddy go wikipedia yourself and look up while you are at it what exactly an algorithm is

THEN REPORT YOUR disorganized [Rantings] uhh I mean FINDINGS here.

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Go Read your OWN reference IABoomer and put yourself to beddy bye

because I posted it above for you but it appears you are too LAZY

to read YOUR OWN SOURCE and expect all to BELIEVE your OPINION.

The sequences such generators produce always have patterns, in one sense, since the algorithm that generates them has a finite state, and must, eventually, repeat one of those states. Given the original state of the generator, and the implementation of the algorithm, a pseudo-random number generator of this sort is totally predictable. Given even partial knowledge of that state, they are often insecure for many purposes.

I DO NOT have to have the FT code to point out its FLAWS.

I don't need it. You represent a code you have no earthly concept of.

You reference Wikipedia and RTNG. The Info I explained came from my knowledge which ALIGNS EXACTLY with YOUR WIKIPEDIA REFERENCE.

Can you grasp that? You PROVE MY POINT nicely. It came directly from YOUR SOURCE. which states well that the algorithm has FLAWS. FT attempts like any site to minimize and mask the flaws within the LIMITS OF THE SOFTWARE.

The limits of the software are BASED ON A PREDETERMINED SET of PARAMETERS therefore it does have a BIAS .

Sorry, perhaps swimming lessons for you may help since you are in over your head and treading water and YOUR OWN REFERENCE PROVES IT.

You have bored me with your non-sense since the beginning.

You represent the FT code as if it is an empirical infallible situation yet

provide your own evidence that the software IS FLAWED.

Thank You for amplifying my POINT with YOUR WIKIPEDIA REFERENCE that a predetermined fixed set of parameters cannot produce true RANDOMNESS. You Whine and cry now "you are through arguing" [aka.. I exposed I am an idiot] and take your ball and go home, uh I mean to bed. Thats funny....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRNG

I just read almost every post. I am not sure why. I guess I was bored. This whole argument is silly. The "logic" of the rigged theorists can be summed up as follows:

"The site is rigged because I have seen BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH"

"Anyone who is a forum pro is automatically wrong"

"The site would clearly make mroe money by rigging the deals even though I cannot show why this would be the case."

"I do not wish to give proof of my theory with actual numbers and statistics because the forum pros would not believe me anyway. The proof exists, but I just do not feel like posting it here, instead I will cry and whine about the fact that the forum pros do not believe me."

"I don't really understand mathematics, I really do not understand statistical sampling methods, and I have a vague understand of how a random number generator works, but I will talk as if I am an expert on all of them. I will do this in lieu of providing actual proof of anything I say."

And now soem of my own words: I was bored while playing, so I took my ten sided die and rolled it 100 times and recorded the result. The likelihood of hitting a gutshot straight draw on one card is approximately 1/10. Theo dds of any one number hitting on the ten sided die are exactly 1/10. Well, what do you know? In my 100 roll sample, one number hit 19 times and one number hit only TWICE.

According to the rigged theorists out there, my die MUST BE RIGGED. Does this make sense to any of you? If not, then why don't you realize your own argument makes no sense? There are amthematically PROVEN ways to analyze samples fo statistical data and to prove beyone a reasonable doubt whether hands are rigged or not. That being the case, if you are so sure of your point, why do not you not PROVE IT ALREADY? What is holding you back?

Another point to be made: If two people start a hand with a pocket pair, the odds are 1/100 that they both flop a set. The odds arethen 1/45 that the lower set turns quads. The odds are 1/44 that the higher set then re-rivers higher quads. This means that such a hand will happen one time out of 200,000 when two players start a hand with a pocket pair. THINK ABOUT THAT! given the milions of hands that are dealt daily, thism eans that numerous times EACH DAY, that scenario happens! And, I bet Many of those people who were in the hand, or the 6-8 times as many people who SAW the hand, will go on to talk about how poker is rigged, and use that hand as an example.

I've seen lots of weird stuff playing here, but the problem in stating that is that people always remember the unreal hands, and not the run-of-the-mill hands that happen all the time.

It's the bad beats and 1-2 outters that will stick out to people, nothing else. So to anyone starting out with the idea that the site is rigged, any very very lucky hand will appear to be FT's software being jacked.

you are writing all these hands down? i would think a person of your 15 years experience and superior bankroll could afford pokertracker or some other software of this kind. anyway if you dont like FT go play stars or party.

I think its normal human nature that we remember exactly in detail the bad beats and river cards bringing victory to the underdog...even when observing other players play we remember the absurd beats against the favorite hands, not the monster hands that easily won.

So really all you did when you sat down to look at all these hands was say 'I am going to prove this site is rigged because I lost'. By saying that your brain automatically helped you focus on only seeing bad beats and suck outs at tables you observed. Your attention blurred over regular poker wins and skillfull plays and only focused on watching that river card drop and only when it dropped and suckout out a better hand.

I don't care if you play for millions or pennies on this site it doesn't make a difference. You took bad beats, this got to you and influenced the way you collected data for your 'results'. You went into your 'study' thinking the site was rigged so therefore your more likely to adapt and skew your conclusions to support your hunch...

In research its called researcher bias. Its many times unavoidable.

MCAI

MAC POKER PRO works on FULL TILT

I have to say, at least you have the courage of your convictions to play garbage and attempt to win with it since you think that's the way the software works. I still think you're wrong, but at least you're above the other "rigged" posters who claim to have it figured out, but refuse to adapt and prove it.

If counting hands is a pain, consider installing a tracking program like Pokertracker, Pokeroffice, or Holdem Manager (which while in Beta is freely available with no hand quantity restrictions). Collect all of your hands and see if things really are working the way you think they are. You may be surprised to see that, like most people, big pairs are big winners and unconnected garbage is a big loser.

http://www.pokertracker.com

http://www.pokeroffice.com

http://www.holdemmanager.net

Ok I have something to add on every all in I have seen in only the past week playing here this has happened with no exeption to the rule --->All In player A has AA Player B has (10-J or any two high cards) Flop comes A,K or A,Q now they both go all in. Now this is what i have seen ten times in a row ya go figure the striaght always came ??? Thats just my observation since playing here keep a eye on it you will see and lemme know i need feed back on this its really been bugging me i have used it to my advantage and i am questioning the software algorthym just my 2 bits.

Let me sum up your post for you:

"I don't know what I'm talking about but I'll say that I do so more people listen to me. The truth is that poker is rigged. I will not state any proof for this, but I will assure you that anyone who disagrees is a child and is wrong.

Also, since I don't know what I am talking about, I won't be returning to respond to any replies. This will only assure intelligent people that I am correct."

And now just for fun, here's a quote from PokerStars' web page (I couldn't find a similar page on Full Tilt's site but I believe that they probably use a similar process):

I wouldn't be surprised if this quote has been posted before in this thread. But since you claimed you didn't read anything but the first page, I also won't read anything but the first page.

Nope you made it clear that you were posting song lyrics in the midst of a topic about poker software flaws and rigging and were 'miffed' that my response is not in reply to YOUR song lyrics.

You're the "PRO" here. I am just what all pro's here think a non-pro is.... underlings.... Why not follow a forum standard and stay on the topic or start a FT favorite Lyric thread?

I am sure another Pro here will take up and continue the TRNG not flawed here at FT flag. What would be a true random number generated is ONE FT pro to show some UNpredictability or random different opinion. Not gonna happen.

This is a ridiculously inaccurate statement. There are plenty of people who have tens of thousands of hands logged into Poker Tracker or other databases. There are even people with hundreds of thousands of hands logged. Guess what? The percentages hold up. The site's not rigged.

Don't believe me? There have been threads on the topic, go search for them. There was at least one that I remember on this forum and probably innumerable ones on the 2+2 forums (although discussing more than just Full Tilt).

i am replying to this post because i agree totally with the poster....regardless of his calculatioons...i have been in many of hands where i was the favorite by 5 to 1 at times and have lost more than my fair share...every hand has a flush on here....reality poker doesn't happen like online poker....the worst hand does win more than 60% of the time ......big pots usually go to bigger stacks believe it or not...i have been in both situations so i know the way it goes.....i have flopped nut flushes and straights more than 20-30 times and have lost about 15 of those times to runner runner full house or runner runner straight flush....it does not happen that way in rality as much as online...regardless of what you forum pro's think.....you call us crybaby's??? be a victim of as many bad beats as me and maybe you'll start thinking the same...

I find it humerous that you fish on here tried your best to more try and question who I am then read what i had to say.

All the replies were about trying to make me look bad as a player like copying charts of my results and I am just another wannabe?

I am extremely successful in cash games, NOT tournaments...I don't claim to be a big time tournament player, i dont have the patience for tournaments but when i am playing cash games, i do play sit n go's and an occasional tournament but I know for a fact, the tracker on players results are as well skewed.

I had a player make a simliar attack on me out of jealousy trying to say i never win sit n go's and that day, he made that accusation, i had won two 100 sit n go' the previous day so i know these tracking softwares online are not accurate at all so using these tracking software's to track what i had to say would be a waste as well.

my results were over thousands of hands, not just a hundred or so.

it was NOT meant in frustation of me losing 4,000.....hell i have had days in the 150/300 mix game at bellagio, i have lost that in a few hours.

I am talking about this conclusion i came to over thousands of hands over a two week period...that is not variance, that is an honest representation of hands.

last time i checked, this forum is an area for GOOD and BAD opinions, not just favoreable opinions that will make the site look good.

as a customer where there is money involved, we have a right to question anything IF we feel something might not be wrong.

as i said i was hoping to get really successful players give me their opinion to either invalidate what i had to say or to add some opinion to my data...

but as usual, i got nothing but fish's and donks who are small players OR railbirds like the forum pro's who sit here all day long and respond to posts CAUSE THEY ARE NEVER IN GAMES MAKING MONEY.

so i guess my post was a waste, i am too addicted to online poker so i will just deal with these extremely skewed outcomes and see how it goes and work through it.

I agree with IABoomer...

I had plenty of suck outs on the river since playing here and you know what? Some players make bad donk calls, some players don't understand hand representing and some players just push all in with anything.

BUT like IABoomer says its partly our own faults for letting these suckouts occur. Most of the time pushing a large amount of your chip stack in on the flop or the turn will cause the other player to pause , look at the board and many times fold. Your ahead but you know theres a risk of a suck out then push your chips and take the pot down so that risk doesn't happen.

Granted I've had times where I've done this and STILL had the person call and be behind a lot only to win on the river; one player who did this said 'that's why they call it gambling boys'. Hes an idiot but he represents a good chunk of players who believe that poker is like most card games...luck.

Anyways enough of my rambling, IABoomer is saying that most of the time your aggressive bet while your in the lead will push weaker hands to fold before they have a chance to catch.

Yes there's a difference between a human shuffle and an online shuffle. The human shuffle will be less random than the online shuffle.

It's okay. Take as much time as you need to re-read that until it makes sense.

Considering cards can stick together, people won't shuffle as many times as a computer, etc., you'll find that online shuffles are more random than human.

Things only seem odd because your mind is programmed to look for patterns. It's not programmed to see all the times that you bet AA, everyone folded, and you won the pot.