Feedback and Feature Requests: FULL TITLT SUCKS DONT BUY IN HERE

After Making around 700 in 1-2 cash games in about a week, i was just about to cash out when I picked up JJ, AK, JJ and 10-10 and some dumb fish sucked out on me everytime. Everytime they called a big bet and suckout on the turn. Not only do i think full tilt is crap. I think it's getting worse. I'v seen several bad beats when all the money is in. A lot more then live games. I play live every day for about 2-8 hours. And u never see anything like full crap. DONT PLAY ONLINE POKER, Some fish will always win. What the system does is give money to the new players so they will play more. While players who have devoted there time here get screwed. Dont waste your time or money here.

Being honest here, about my own play:

Even in spite of all the bad beats, suckouts, and general bad luck spells I've had since I started playing serious poker, I've come to one solid conclusion:

Over the long run, my rate of win/loss is a 100% accurate reflection of my ability and game discipline. By ability I mean my skill, knowledge, experience, and comprehension of the table, my opponents, and poker. Game discipline includes bankroll management, avoiding tilt and distractions, and trying to make the correct choices based on the information I have.

Bad streaks happen, sometimes really awful ones. Still, I've never ever had one that couldn't be explained in terms of probability and variance, or just sub-par play on my part. Anytime I analyze my play long enough, there are always mistakes. Forget the hand when AA didn't hold up against KK after getting all the chips in preflop - what about the 60 hands prior to that?

You're looking at one week's results? Assuming your play isn't suspect, you don't think variance can explain your situation? Are you going to tell me you win every week?

Ya I have to agree that FTP is rigged in ways. New players always win - and after you cashout you lose, that's just the way it is. And the messed thing is that it won't damage FTP's reputation, because it can't REALLY be proven. -And American players have nowhere else to go. I know ppl who have never played the game and came to this site to win several hundred dollars. In my experience, every person i know who as played at FTP has won when they 1st joined. And in my experience, the bad beats are getting worse. I played poker as my main source of income for 6 months, but i cant win in $2 sng's here now due to bad beat after bad beat. I'm not surprised that many players are having my same experiences. Bad Luck, FT says. Very improbable. Looks like i'll be sticking to live games for a while, at least when it comes to the big bucks. And notice the lack of famous pros lately - i wonder why...

ps.

My guess is the the hackers have FT under their thumb, and make them keep their software unsecure or they shut it down. This crossed my mind when FT was down for several hours on a Saturday night, not too long ago. FT used to be better towards the beginning of this year, when they used to update it frequently.

-Vegas poker semi pro

how do you post hand histories?

I'm kind of skeptical about the whole rigged thing. I was playing well for like 6 months or so to build my $50 up to $3,000. After I cash out $2,500 I cant win anything anymore and I didnt change the way I was playing, and never really moved up in limits that high. I know it isnt rigged, but sometimes it just feels like it is. Especially right after you cash out and then its bad beat city for the next month straight with only a few wins here and there. Just kind of funny.

I would add that you should seriously consider the wisdom of going all in preflop--if that's what you are doing. Once you've gone all in you don't have the opportunity to outplay your opponent--you are leaving it all up to the cards and poker gods.

The all in bet is how a less talented player neutralizes the advantage of the more talented player (http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_magazine/archives/?a_id=15068) if you are the more talented player you want to see a flop.

Like AAvKK said, you have to read the board and decide whether to continue or not. That choice is taken away from you when you move all in without seeing the flop.

Ya I have to agree that FTP is rigged in ways. New players always win - and after you cashout you lose, that's just the way it is. And the messed thing is that it won't damage FTP's reputation, because it can't REALLY be proven. -And American players have nowhere else to go. I know ppl who have never played the game and came to this site to win several hundred dollars. In my experience, every person i know who as played at FTP has won when they 1st joined. And in my experience, the bad beats are getting worse. I played poker as my main source of income for 6 months, but i cant win in $2 sng's here now due to bad beat after bad beat. I'm not surprised that many players are having my same experiences. Bad Luck, FT says. Very improbable. Looks like i'll be sticking to live games for a while, at least when it comes to the big bucks. And notice the lack of famous pros lately - i wonder why...

ps.

My guess is the the hackers have FT under their thumb, and make them keep their software unsecure or they shut it down. This crossed my mind when FT was down for several hours on a Saturday night, not too long ago. FT used to be better towards the beginning of this year, when they used to update it frequently.

-Vegas poker semi pro

have you heard of variance?

My last 5k hands when ive been heads up going in with the best hand or calling with the best hand. and get sucked out 80% of the time. Thats not rigged? **** you

yea full tilt is bad, i play on different sites including party poker and pokerstars, and i never get the beats i get on full tilt. 90%, 95% favorite going to the river and bam he hits it, absolutely unbelievable every time. and not just oncce or twice, its amazing how unlucky you can be

Its every poker web site, not just FT.

If you can't handle bad beats in poker, why the hell are you playing?

It makes total sense. If you don't know what you're doing, you will get sucked out more often.

You are the idiot here apparently. Go get sucked out again because your betting patterns eat a$$. And please play me at a table.

FTP is great

WHAT?

U got sucked out cause you suck?

U wanna know what I think? No? I don't care...here it is.....

Data mining should prove out the statistics of online sites......

check your stats and either quit **** or don't play.

nebstu

You do realize you are making an A$$ out of yourself don't you? I am almost positive you have not seen me play so how can you accuse someone of poor play?

And by the way, your English is wretched. Don't they teach grammar in your igloos?

i did this last night, i was holding pocket kings, i made a raise 2,000 pre-flop. flop came it was something something jack, i made a check, was rasied 500 so i re-raised another 2,000, was called. At this point I was getting nervous, i ended up losing to a 2 pair. I thought I was in great shape, thought the guy was trying to steal the big pot. First time i ever lost to KK. Lost my whole stack and was eliminated from the tourny(freeroll). Only way to learn the game is from mistakes, you cant teach yourself by reading books and watching DVD's.

boo hoo. Go cry to someone who cares. You got sucked out because you suck. Period.

My comments are not aimed at any one idividual. It is just a broad observation. I have had some bad streaks where no matter how good I play, I am going to lose, so I wouldnt bad mouth someone without seeing them play. I just don't think the site is to blame.

And Guitarguy means at showdown I'm sure.....because he knows how to hit the fold button if he doesnt connect.

Those numbers or so improbable you should have won the lottery twice..

LOL. Classic.

Ever hear of reading the board? If you lose 8 straight times and are all in pre-flop, then ok. I would argue that if this is the case, then you should seriously consider position, table image, your opponent, chip stacks, etc.. before going all in. If you see a flop and its dangerous why commit all your chips just cause you have KK? Dont put the blinders on is all im saying and while you may lose the hand you wont lose your stack.

I have an idea for your problem man...4 clicks.

Start > Program > Full Tilt Poker > Uninstall Full Tilt Poker

Dude, cut the tough guy act. Nobody thinks you're a badass.

As to the subject at hand, I'll simply that say I've seen the worst hand win on Full Tilt a lot more often than the best hand. I'm not convinced that the flops, turns and rivers are 100% random on FTP. I've simply seen too much evidence otherwise. This is why I only use FTP as a play money site. It's got nothing to do with bad beats or poorly played hands.

By saying someone sucks because they got sucked out on has nothing to do with having the best hand. It is about not protecting your hands, and not betting them correctly. Example, checking top set with a straigh or flush draw on the board, limping in late position with AA and letting someone flop two pair. This is what he means by bad players get sucked out on, and he is correct. I see so many people get pissed off when they lose with AA or KK because they tried to slow play them and get sucked out on.

Anybody can get the best hand, not every can play it the best way.Last edited by guitarguy178 on Wed Jan 25, 2006 5:35 pm; edited 1 time in total