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Sit & Go Tournament Poker: Look out for these cheaters (bgallucci and maftyAA)

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      CommentAuthorsaomonilla
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2006
     

    bgallucci and MaftyAA are a team of colluding bastards. Look out for them. They open the game with table talk. They obviously knew each other.

    tier II sng. 3 places paid. down to 4 players.

    MaftyAA called for a check down from the other players.

    Full Tilt Poker Game #1356579300: Tier Two $24+$2 Sit & Go (9559260), Table 1 - 300/600 - No Limit Hold'em - 5:42:33 ET - 2006/12/05

    Seat 2: MaftyAA (3,360)

    Seat 3: isustowe (7,200)

    Seat 5: Saomonilla (210)

    Seat 8: bgallucci (2,730)

    Saomonilla posts the small blind of 210, and is all in

    bgallucci posts the big blind of 600

    The button is in seat #3

    *** HOLE CARDS ***

    Dealt to Saomonilla [Js 2d]

    MaftyAA calls 600

    isustowe calls 600

    bgallucci checks

    *** FLOP *** [5h 3d 3c]

    MaftyAA: check it down

    bgallucci checks

    MaftyAA checks

    isustowe checks

    *** TURN *** [5h 3d 3c] [3s]

    bgallucci checks

    MaftyAA checks

    Saomonilla: mafty

    isustowe checks

    *** RIVER *** [5h 3d 3c 3s] [Jh]

    Saomonilla: thats a nice collusion message

    MaftyAA: lol

    MaftyAA: srry

    bgallucci has 15 seconds left to act

    Saomonilla: thanks

    bgallucci has timed out

    bgallucci checks

    MaftyAA checks

    isustowe checks

    *** SHOW DOWN ***

    bgallucci shows [9s 6d] (three of a kind, Threes)

    MaftyAA shows [Jc Tc] (a full house, Threes full of Jacks)

    Saomonilla: your etiquette is awesome

    isustowe mucks

    MaftyAA:

    MaftyAA wins the side pot (1,170) with a full house, Threes full of Jacks

    Saomonilla shows [Js 2d] (a full house, Threes full of Jacks)

    Saomonilla ties for the main pot (420) with a full house, Threes full of Jacks

    MaftyAA ties for the main pot (420) with a full house, Threes full of Jacks

    bgallucci is sitting out

    The blinds are now 400/800

    *** SUMMARY ***

    Total pot 2,010 Main pot 840. Side pot 1,170. | Rake 0

    Board: [5h 3d 3c 3s Jh]

    Seat 2: MaftyAA showed [Jc Tc] and won (1,590) with a full house, Threes full of Jacks

    Seat 3: isustowe (button) mucked [As 5s] - a full house, Threes full of Fives

    Seat 5: Saomonilla (small blind) showed [Js 2d] and won (420) with a full house, Threes full of Jacks

    Seat 8: bgallucci (big blind) showed [9s 6d] and lost with three of a kind, Threes

    Bubble hand. 90 to call Bgalluccis all in. MaftyAA folds.

    Full Tilt Poker Game #1356585656: Tier Two $24+$2 Sit & Go (9559260), Table 1 - 400/800 - No Limit Hold'em - 5:46:36 ET - 2006/12/05

    Seat 2: MaftyAA (4,350)

    Seat 3: isustowe (5,400)

    Seat 5: Saomonilla (2,860)

    Seat 8: bgallucci (890)

    bgallucci posts the small blind of 400

    MaftyAA posts the big blind of 800

    The button is in seat #5

    *** HOLE CARDS ***

    Dealt to Saomonilla [8d 6s]

    isustowe folds

    Saomonilla folds

    bgallucci raises to 890, and is all in

    MaftyAA folds

    Uncalled bet of 90 returned to bgallucci

    isustowe: wtf?!

    bgallucci mucks

    bgallucci wins the pot (1,600)

    *** SUMMARY ***

    Total pot 1,600 | Rake 0

    Seat 2: MaftyAA (big blind) folded before the Flop

    Seat 3: isustowe didn't bet (folded)

    Seat 5: Saomonilla (button) didn't bet (folded)

    Seat 8: bgallucci (small blind) collected (1,600), mucked

    Bgallucci folds 4-1 on his money on the bubble. His buddy MaftyAA is allin this time:

    Full Tilt Poker Game #1356591876: Tier Two $24+$2 Sit & Go (9559260), Table 1 - 500/1000 - No Limit Hold'em - 5:50:45 ET - 2006/12/05

    Seat 2: MaftyAA (1,850)

    Seat 3: isustowe (4,510)

    Seat 5: Saomonilla (3,360)

    Seat 8: bgallucci (3,780)

    Saomonilla posts the small blind of 500

    bgallucci posts the big blind of 1,000

    The button is in seat #3

    *** HOLE CARDS ***

    Dealt to Saomonilla [4d Td]

    MaftyAA raises to 1,850, and is all in

    isustowe folds

    Saomonilla folds

    isustowe: fold b, better for the email

    isustowe: 4-1 can't be good enough

    Saomonilla: absolutely

    bgallucci has 15 seconds left to act

    bgallucci folds

    Saomonilla: what was that hand isustowe?

    Uncalled bet of 850 returned to MaftyAA

    isustowe: lol

    MaftyAA shows [5h As] (Ace Five high)

    MaftyAA wins the pot (2,500)

    *** SUMMARY ***

    Total pot 2,500 | Rake 0

    Seat 2: MaftyAA collected (2,500)

    Seat 3: isustowe (button) didn't bet (folded)

    Seat 5: Saomonilla (small blind) folded before the Flop

    Seat 8: bgallucci (big blind) folded before the Flop

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    I have one criticism - sometimes it is the correct play to fold to that 90 raise.

    With 4 people left - people are usually playing tighter in an attempt to make the money. Now lets say you have a big stack and can steal with immunity due to people seeing that there is a shortstack and them having a medium stack and not wanting to bust out on the bubble. By allowing the shortstack to survive you let yourself continue stealing from the medium stacks, whereas if the shortstack were gone and you were all in the money you would not be able to steal from the medium stacks anymore.

    In conclusion, by allowing the short stack to survive so that it is still 4 way and not 3-way - you allow yourself (this is esp. true if you have a big stack and can run the table over (go allin every hand no matter what you have, because people will fold - do they really want to bust on the bubble in a 60/40 situation when there is a shortstack about ready to bust)) to continue to grind the medium stacks down and extend your chip lead.

    I read this in some poker book - not sure where - in the book it was related to a MTT where theres 1 left before the bubble and you're at a shorthanded table - he says to even fold QQ to an all in raise from the shortstack in that spot because the amount of chips gained from being able to steal from the other stacks far outweigh thr few chips you're basically gtd from the shortstack that you'll bust.

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      CommentAuthorbillygoatg
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2006
     

    actually....i have been thinkin quite a bit about a 30 sng i got bubbled on last nite....i was chip leader most of the way through. Blinds were at 100/200 i think and i had 4500. there was some strange plays going on at the table i thought. and 2 guys sitting next to each other seemed to be in the hands a lot together and they were raising and folding to each othere a lot...never saw a showdown...but 1 guy was now shortstacked and he went all in..the guy in question..who still had 2500 went allin too..then around to me with AQ and i fold... shortstak had kj and other guy k9...i woulda won....y would the guy with k9 risk all his chips to knock out a shortstack....didnt make sense..and they said absoltely nothin when i was saying stuff about it...then another soonj after the i got kncked out qith qq vv kk who just had me covered... dont usually dwell on losing games...i kept wishin i had called with my aq and i woulda won the game for sure.....but this one really got to me...and the more i think about it they were fukin colluders...so i would like to thank the original poster for bringing this up and for sure i will be lookin out for these f***** cheats and i will beat them....

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    Exactly!

    The idea here is to get a massive massive chip lead - you are going for the win here. The idea is to let the short stack survive so you can grind down the other two medium stacks while they wait for an excellent hand or the shortstack to bust - not wanting to bust on the bubble themselves. Therefore, you stray away from any confrontation with the short stack - you fold to raises but if you are first in you go all in - except when shorty is BB (he'll call you with Kx Ax here cause he needs to survive and will be getting very good odds to call you)

    The play here isn't about what odds you are getting or anything - cause I will admit in any other situation this is a definite call even w/ 72x but in this situation it is to your advantage to keep the short stack in play due to it allowing you to steal from the other two people. You give up some extra chips right now for more chips later.

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      CommentAuthordrtre1987
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2006
     

    okay, first off, folding can be okay in certain situations. these situations are when you are the dominating chip leader. obvisouly this was not the case in the HH (he is second). also, your stack would have to be much deeper to argue folding in this situation. sklansky would not fold in this situation. i'll tell you what sklansky would do. he would look and see he has 90 to call into the pot that has about 1600 in it. he would then see that 1600 chips is nearly 12% of the chips in play. then he would call. this would give him great odds on his money to become the chip leader.

    when sklansky was talking in Tournament Poker for Advanced Players, he was talking about a situation when a fold would allow you to steal more money in the long run. you would not be able to do this, being 2nd in chips with the stacks being this close and blinds this high.

    for those of you who think that you can fold to steal blinds later, you really shouldnt be doing this when the blinds are representing this high of a percentage of the total chips.

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    you should absolutely report that.

    I'm seeing more and more collusion in SNG's anymore,, and I think alot of it is someone signed on to two accounts at the same time.

    I was playing in a $10 sng on pokerstars the other day,, I don't have the hand history,, but it went something like this,,

    Eight players were left,, two players each had very large stacks, and on the flop,, one bet the pot, the other raised the pot, the first player moves all in for a HUGE amount, and the other player calls,, the smaller stacked player had NO PAIR, NO DRAW, and the larger stacked player had THIRD PAIR!! No one plays THAT bad. I think that had to be a player logged into two accounts, and he just doubled his chip stack and took a HUGE lead, with bottom pair.

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      CommentAuthorSFBuc
    • CommentTimeDec 20th 2006
     

    Yes I agree that the 90 should be an automatic call. Even if you have 7-2o it is a call. Top 3 pay and there are 4 people left. Make him earn his spot. You just gave him an extra 800 chips to play with. If you call and he wins it is only 90 more to him. That isn't going to cripple the other person. The only way I see that you shouldn't call is if you too are short stacked. 90 more into a 1600 pot is an auto call. If you don't call that you are just letting the other person keep on playing for free. No challenge what so ever. For the people who just let the person have it...I would love to play against you shortstacked. They are the ones that give me better odds and let me atleast cash when I shouldn't have. I thank you guys that pass on those few extra chips. Those few extra chips have either cost you a money spot or someone else their spot many times. I know that I have come back many times because people don't want to call those few extra chips and quite a few have been to win the tourney.

    As for the subject at hand yea I would report them. That looks like a definate collusion. If you save your hand histories then just go to those and send the rest to support.

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      CommentAuthordmoore1998
    • CommentTimeDec 20th 2006
     

    Excellent point, I've done this myself when it gets to 4 people if I have a big chip lead but not necessarily big enough for a sure win. I had the short stack to my right and every time he folded I was raising the medium stacks all-in almost every time. I absolutely refused to call the short stacks all-in though no matter what and I wouldn't raise if he was still in the hand because I didn't want him calling off his chips even if he was ahead. I didn't want him to leave no matter what because I wanted to steal enough blinds or at least pressure the medium stacks with the idea of busting out of the money that hopefully by the time it was down to 3 I would have an almost insurmountable chip lead.

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    Zophar -

    The play here isn't about your odds to call - I definately admit that you are getting overwhelming odds to call and that in any other situation not calling would be stupid. But because there are 4 left and top 3 pay you proceed differently. By eliminating player 4 you are depriving yourself of the ability to steal the blinds of player 2 and 3 without having to worry about being called. By allowing the shortstack to survive you enable yourself to steal from the two medium stacks, thus grinding them down to a shortstack. If you eliminate a player and are down to the final three you will not be able to steal blinds because the other two players will call due to already being in the money.

    THIS IS ALL ABOUT DELAYED GRATIFICATION

    KEY POINT

    By foregoing the chips that you would gain on this one particular hand you enable yourself to gain more chips throughout the upcoming hands.

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      CommentAuthorVRod105
    • CommentTimeDec 20th 2006
     

    I have sent support numerous alerts about inappropriate table talk. I get a form letter about a week later telling me about all of the great power that they have to investigate collusion. A first night dealer in a B&M can deal with some of the comments that are made, and with the chat window there is no denying what is said or when it is said, but FT chooses to ignore this situation. There should be a clear set of rules. Your winnings goto the other players at the table or the players you were hurting based on your comments, you loose your chat for 30 days and your ability to play for a week. Second offences should escalate.

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      CommentAuthorcubbies760
    • CommentTimeDec 20th 2006
     

    ive read the argument for folding to the 90 chips into an 1800 pot....and read it again.....and again......and there is absolutely no argument for folding...i understand the theory, but the odds are so overwhelming, throw everything out the window, it has to be a call, no matter what

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    time4badbeat you have read some good information and took it TOO FAR. You're talking about 90 chips when the small blind is over 4x that amount. When doubling up the shortstack means that they are no longer in the desperation mode is when you fold. If the all in had say 2400 and you were a huge stack then you fold even though you're getting 2:1. All the other posters have already made the point so I'm not going to keep restating it.

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    Even though i would have called the 90 bet, not everyone played the game correctly.

    The issue of chip dumping happens more and more and it was the main reason my account was drained.

    I had my last $20 on a $1-$2 nl table and the stacks on there were larger than you would normally see and what was happening was somebody (but only 1 of them) would put me all-in pre-flop, so i never had a chance.

    In hindsight, i probably should have moved table but i contacted support and was told that there was nothing they could do.

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    I was in this tournament; I busted out in 8th place. You should report this to the Full Tilt Support team. Although checking it down is usually done anyway, he shouldn't have been telling the other players to do it.

    As for the fold of an additional 90 on his 800 big blind, well that speaks for itself. Maybe they're not intentionally colluding but he's clearly chip dumping his friend there.

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      CommentAuthorriverralph
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    me and another guy were acused of doig this by another player. we were down to three and i only picked up hands in the small blind we all had about the same chip stack.me and the other guy had played at a few tables and we did chat i knew him as a good player.the guy doing the acusing was a donk got lucky all in several times to still be in. was i wrong not to butt heads with a player i know is good, with bad cards or, pick on the weak player 8)

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    Haha, not calling the 90 is a great joke and just made my day. So funny reading, thanks.

    1800 in pot and cost 90 to call, i would call even if i only had 1 card. Even if i didnt get a hand and would only be able to play the board. As stated, you will get a chance to call 90 for winning 1600. You wont get much better pot odds then that, so for god sake call.

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      CommentAuthorbillygoatg
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    I know that at times i have just put it on autofold to any raise....u cannot get him done for collusion for folding...but yes..saying 'check it down' is wrong.....but its is obvious to any1 with hald a brain that is what will be done....sayin that i have recently folded best hands by idiots bluffin in to a dry side pot with gut shot draws.......1 of the guys claimed he was beginner and didnt know any better...his stats told my otherwise..and that he was a successful player....mayb he was feelin wreckless i dont know...but it is very frustrating when ppl dont know how to play that scenario properly...i never say check it down..but a bloody feel like it!

    and its not exacly collusion IMO...but if full tilt dont want ppl ti do that..there is a simple solution....disable chat when ALLIN ....personally i quite happy for it to be enabled coz i like to chat when i am allin with another player...

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      CommentAuthorbillygoatg
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    its something to think about....i dont see that there is enough benefit in 2 or 3 people colluding on msn....i would be hating it if i knew that many games i have busted out ppl have been colluding..but i know for sure it does happen. As said, mostly with ppl that suk at poker....well i have been a winning player at the sites i have played on..including full tilt without colluding with any1...i will hopefully continue to do so but i think i will play closer attention to colluders and report them....

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    NightPrince nailed it. The only thing he didn't do was give you the email address (support@fulltiltpoker.com), so please make sure you send those HH's there.

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    simply just send full tilt an email about it ive caught many cheaters just send them what happened in the tournament and they will fix things for you aka.. shut down there accounts lol

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    you guys are obviously stupid, heaps of people collude, i know people that make a multi window on msn messenger and 3 or 4 of them sit at one table and tell what they got and kill the table.

    I could be one of them but u'll never know!

    Colluding happens in alot of higher rooms, so my advise, others are doing it so you do it aswell.

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      CommentAuthorrepromannc
    • CommentTimeDec 28th 2006
     

    Have to agree, that was pretty much the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. NO poker theoris would tell you to fold QQ in that situation...EVER.

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      CommentAuthorZophar
    • CommentTimeJan 31st 2007
     

    The 90 is an AUTOMATIC CALL. It's not 4 to 1, it's about 18 to 1. Their play is very questionable. Report it.

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    Also he couldnt have had auto-fold on cause his timer kicked in before he folded. Auto-fold would have folded immediately when the action got to him.

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      CommentAuthor01baz
    • CommentTimeJan 31st 2007
     

    time4badbeat u have given me a completely different angle to look at, i doubt very much that i will play that way, but that is a different perspective i can think about

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    Interesting that you would say this considering that a Mr. David Sklansky said this in his Strategy book on Tournament play.

    Re-read the post and you may understand it, if you can't after re-reading it then think about it a little bit more and if you still can't understand it well, I guess I'll just have to take your money because you're an idiot

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      CommentAuthorsecondbest
    • CommentTimeFeb 12th 2007
     

    Be and sure and let us know when FTP locks your account

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      CommentAuthore_ratledge
    • CommentTimeFeb 12th 2007
     

    xxLast edited by e_ratledge on Fri May 18, 2007 1:26 am; edited 1 time in total

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    you really should email support you never know maybe they will give you something ?

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      CommentAuthorLBVReaper
    • CommentTimeFeb 15th 2007
     

    Which obviously comes to show they must all suck at poker!

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Look out for these cheaters (bgallucci and maftyAA)